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Comment by harry8 | Hacker News Reader

Most Atlassian users are not thier customers. Their users' employers are the customer. This appeals to the customer who doesn't actually have to use this stuff. "ooh pretty".

Those of us stuck with Atlassian refusing to fix their garbage, differing markdown syntaxes, removal of stratight text in favour of rich gui brokeness and the unrelenting S L O W...

Yeah we won't be so impressed by it.

Fix your junk. I can't threaten to leave - the choice isn't mine to do so. The only choice I have is to complain in public. Just like the public service. Go Atlassian! Hooray! User hatred achievement unlocked!

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Complain all you want.

But I have clients who force the use of Sharepoint, and emails for team collaboration.

Coming over to a client with atlassian stack on premise or in the cloud, is like a peachy holiday in comparison. /anecdote.

/question At massive [project] scale; what would you rather recommend to use than Jira and Confluence for the project lifecycle, functional collaboration, technical collaboration, development, CI, and CD?

For my startup I found gitlab to be a massive help from managing our repos to CI integration and task management

My vote would easily go to Gitlab w/ Gitlab CI

Visual Studio Team Services. I'm not sure what you mean by "massive" but VSTS is the only service that handles the truly massive projects, like Microsoft Windows. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2017/05/24/the-large...

Edited to add ObDisclaimer: I work on the VSTS team.

I couldn’t agree more, I absolutely /hate/ when I have to use their products, especially Jira or bitbucket. They’re so awfully clunky and slow, they seem to lack any understanding of workflow or UX design and they’re so JavaScript heavy that many parts of the UI are flaky at the best of times.

I’m in your same boat.

I know there must be objectively worse companies out there, like Monsanto and whatever cover name Blackwater is operating under nowadays.

But there is no company on earth that could make me personally happier by going out of business than Atlassian could.

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