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For $1,000 can it be durable as well as good looking? How about a serious IP (Ingress Protection - dust and water) rating?

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Honest question, what does the rating actually mean? The Galaxy S7 was IP68 certified but did not survive immersion https://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s...

This might be a case of under-promise, over-deliver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code is a decent summary.

IP68 means absolutely no dust whatsoever and:

"The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects. The test depth and/or duration is expected to be greater than the requirements for IPx7, and other environmental effects may be added, such as temperature cycling before immersion."

In the S8's case, the manufacturer specified conditions were "submersion in up to 1.5 meters of fresh water for up to 30 minutes", from http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-s8/performance/.

I guess I mean IP capability, not rating.

Good looking? iPhones stopped being good looking since they added the camera that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Even the slimmest of cases makes that invisible.

For a company (and its customers) that rave about the design and look of the phone itself, covering it all with a case seems like the exact opposite of what one would expect to be the norm.

Then I guess that means we can put to rest the idea that Apple puts form over function.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I have a Pixel by Google, and it's gorgeous, but I'm terrified of ever using it without a case.

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