Smarter speed bump using non-Newtonian liquid
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This Intelligent Speed Bump (BIV) is based in Non-Newtonian fluids dynamics in which particles in natural movement as liquid align when receiving an impact, thus entering into a solid state. This fluid is also biodegradable and harmless for human beings.This fluid inside the BIV is the solution to vehicles at sensible speed that will find no obstacle when driving over it.
The other essential element to achieve the BIV is the plastic covering made of a special material highly resistant to aging, wear, vandalism and unfavorable weather conditions. Our plastics are planned for recycling purposes so that we can ensure sustainability by reusing disposed plastics. BIV is a new speed bump that guarantees effectiveness at exceeding speed regardless vehicles' type or weight. The speed limitation that we set will be effective for every user at the road.
Installations is a fast and simple procedure by screwing up the metal plates onto the pavement in 15 minutes.
This Intelligent Speed Bump is registered and patented worldwide with the aim of improving road traffic and road safety: - Reduces the possibility of traffic accidents and fatigue caused to shock absorbers. - Reduces pollution, fuel consumption and noise pollution caused by continuous bumping
Currently BIV is available for indoor activities: Parking lots, Garage and Covered areas."
Out of curiosity, why is it only available indoors?
This would work for non-Newtonian speed bumps as well, though the first time a plow driver doesn't see the sign, and there's always going to be one who doesn't see the sign, you end up wiping out the speed bump instead of just dinging it.
I'd also be concerned about the effect that widely changing temperatures would have on the viscosity and hence critical speeds. It'd suck to install one in summer, get used to driving over it at 40km/h, then during the first cold snap find out it'd turned as hard as rock.
City plows also have shock absorbers systems that let them ride the bump, but you do get ice pockets after the obstacle.
It looks like a great MVP, and within car parks would guarantee an almost predictable max load weight.
1. http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-04/bouncy-thic...
For us uninitiated - why? Quality if the roads there?
as such, they experience lots of freezing and thawing, experience high traffic from lots of tractor trailers and snow plows, and get coated with de-icing materials (salt, or more recently sand-based grit in some areas). synergistically, these conditions are extremely rough on paved roads, so potholes are ubiquitous and painful.
When I was living there, road signs saying "Steel Plate on Road" were a common sight. I remember the city fixed a water pipe and instead of re-paving the street, they just left several giant 4ft x 8ft steel plates with corresponding sign for over a year.
I live about an hour south of Erie, PA and the road I travel to and from work has needed resurfaced after every winter over the last 3 or 4 years.
- Everybody gets bumped, not only high speed vehicles - Emergency vehicles need to slow down - Bus drivers and others can get back problems from speed bumps
Most solutions break down because the forces and the wear and tear is so tremendous. The solution from Edeva seemed clever to me because the swing a trap door down so the bump comes from the solid ground and not from a moving part.
I'm curious how this liquid solution handles emergency vehicles and the wear+tear. A mechanical solution is good but very expensive. A liquid solution seems like it could be made cheaper.
If you did this with a camera system you could avoid penalizing emergency vehicles.
Yeah I've always felt like speed cameras should have been the "disruptive technology" for speed bumps but we're lagging behind for some reason, instead choosing to penalize everyone using the road.
How often are speed bumps not doable at the speed the street allows, e.g. having to go 15-20kmh over the bump in a 30 zone, or more extreme, 5kmh in a 50 zone when they want you to watch out for drunk pedestrians during events when said pedestrians aren't there (or drunk) yet/anymore...
Even old-fashioned speed bumps get severe ridges worn into them by vehicles that go too fast. They need to be repaired after a year or two. And even if that doesn't happen, they experience severe forces from wheels, every single day.
You (and the non-newtonian bump mentioned in the article) suggest basically a rubber bag filled with fluid. Instead of getting ridges worn into them, they're going to get punctured and destroyed.
There's a reason the system mentioned in the article is only shown in parking garages. It only works indoors (because of UV), and it only works at relatively low speeds, where the forces are lower, and the risk of undercarriage hits is very small.
I hate speed bumps, but it's extremely hard to find a workable alternative. Personally, I prefer chicanes.
In Las Vegas they had very deep 'gullys' on either side of a street to facilitate flash floodwater and where those 'flood streets' crossed others there were 'speed ditches' :-) They were very effective as the wear and tear occurred on the car that was grounding out after going over them too quickly.
Chicanes are ok but people who try to go through them too fast and get stuck after colliding with one side or the other cause problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRHphB-YqN8
Here are three problems I see:
- it has electronics and actuated parts - will be a maintenance issue
- it can be overridden remotely - yet another thing in the city to hack for fun or profit
- there's a distance between speed measuring zone and the bump zone that's big enough the device might react confusingly in dense traffic
https://www.highways.today/2017/09/08/dynamic-speed-bumps-cr...
David saw a surge in web-traffic and traced it back to this HN thread, and then pinged me about this :)
Seriously it's 2017, you're trying to sell technology and you still objectify women.
Also I want to point out that your assumption of gender from pure appearance is abhorrent.
I would rather live in a world where women are still an attraction.
Would you like to perhaps list the types of appearance that you deem permissible?
If cars going too fast are going to be damaged either way, there's no benefits on that end.
If the motivation is that cars can go slightly faster overall over the bump to reduce traffic... then don't put a bump there!?!?
Slow traffic will still be slow?
Or more common, people will speed towards the bump and again, brake right before it.
So that there is only a "bump" if you're above the limit, that would be less annoying (and potentially damaging for low-clearance cars) for people who follow the rules.
Apologies if joking about it is too soon =P
Unsure how this fluid bump would affect bikes - maybe it has too much traction and you get launched over the handles at certain speeds?
Sometimes there are big long speed bumps that are actually MORE comfortable to take at higher-than-legal speeds. And it's encouraged an arms race in vehicles in the US; it undoubtedly influences people to buy bigger/heavier/taller vehicles with longer-travel suspension.
Obviously obnoxious SUVs and the like are impervious to this, obliviously driving over. Conversely, a chat with my local mechanic turned up an issue with unprotected engine underside (like with most cheap to mid-range cars) means there's a sufficiently higher chance to rip the oil drain plug, meaning slightly increased tow-in rates with each new speed bump. Nasty, although more recent cars have undersides now in an effort to reduce drag and improve compliance with emission regulations.
"Two cameras located at the top of the windscreen scan the streets and setup the suspension to absorb the bumps."
Slightly more low-tech, but it works amazingly well in practice.
And it's corn starch, not corn flower, and water. About a 2:1 ratio.
It is processed to isolate the starch.
lots of people call this oobleck, and there are a gajillion of youtube videos about it.
I feel this is a Silicon Valley 'Problem' where everyone else has much tougher/different ones than the Redwood City slogan of 'Climate Best By Government Test.'
This seems like an interesting concept that's worth the effort and expense only for very niche applications.
Now, if you had a speed bump that could become perfectly smooth when emergency vehicles are approaching, but have some other slowing effect for normal traffic, that would be interesting.
> “Whether you respect the speed limit or not, your car will suffer from a speed bump regardless.”
Can anyone confirm this? I would assume the suspension can handle speed bumps fine at low speeds. That’s what it feels like from inside the car anyway.
Couldn’t it be argued that, as we approach a speed of 0 mph, there exists a speed at which no damage is done to the car whatsoever? And, if we place speed bumps accordingly, there is no need for this technology — particularly considering the difference in cost and maintenance?
At least I haven't seen speed bumps in 50 km/h roads just to slow people down.
Also beloved are narrowings to one lane, where you can not see until you are really close up, wethere somebody from the other side is entering the lane.
Tie rod ends, bushings, etc can all wear out from uneven suspension load.
It's been 7 years. Anybody know how adoption has been?
Since retiring, I've kept my interests up and have paid even more attention to the coming tech. I signed a non-compete, but I still have my interests.
This is the first I've heard of it. I've never heard of it and know of no usage in the industry. And yes, even parking garages sometimes get modeled during the design phase.
So, make of that what you will. I've not only not heard of this product, I've not even heard of this technology being proposed. This may mean that I just missed it.
It's also potentially able to make a big mess from a small accident that a regular bumper would shake off. Jam an iron bar into a regular bumper and you'll scuff it. Jam it into a non-newtonian sac, and you might rupture it.
It's typically done in "problems areas" where a small number of people drive 25-50% or more over the limit, but it's extremely frustrating, because it forces drivers to drive way below the actual limit when crossing the speed bumps - especially if they're the bolt-down kind. i.e. the effect is to cause irritation for ~99% of drivers in order to punish a tiny minority.
[1] I'm sure it happens elsewhere in the US, too.
That if it wasn't super hard to change suspension properties on the fly.
A well-setup conventional suspension system works nearly as well for anything you would encounter in the real world, and it's a lot less expensive. Even Citroën (the kings of hydropneumatic active suspension) will be going with traditional suspension only from their next generation C5, despite being stalwarts of active suspension tech since the 1950s.
Having driven a C3 through southern Germany on vacation recently, I see their point. That silly little car was significantly more comfortable than my older, larger Peugeot sedan, and more comfortable than even the 1st-gen C5 my parents drive.
Conventional suspension tech has come a long, long way.
Automated cars will have the same issues. We'll see a 3rd party mod and chip market immediately. "Go 20% over the limit" and "cut through alleys" and "aggressively pass and change lanes" or "ride the shoulder in heavy traffic" mods will be everywhere.
Heck, we're kinda there now. Recently Google maps asked me to use an alley as a through street, which I found a little off-putting. Alleys aren't designed for thru traffic, have cars and people backing in and out, have children playing basketball, etc.
But speed advantage over other cars on the road is a mostly emotional desire that matters to human drivers. Cars with speed advantage are marketed as such right now. I do think that marketing will disappear when cars go driverless.
And don't forget we are in this case talking about people illegally speeding. You are not legally entitled to use your speed advantage to drive at twice the speed limit in a neighborhood with a school zone, even if there's a smoky pickup in front of you. And yet, if we don't put speed bumps in the way, some people will choose to do so anyway, putting others at risk. A kid in my neighborhood was killed just a couple of weeks ago by someone speeding, and there are several speed bumps near me that were installed immediately after children were hit.
Also, I feel like there's a risk here that the average person will have trouble understanding how such an unusual speed bump works. Therefore, it may end up causing damage to more cars.
Cold and snow are tough problems to solve when implementing those.
I guess if there is a patient in fragile condition in the back of an ambulance that would be an issue.
Speed bumps are common in places like huge parking lots where reasonbable varies wildly throughout the day.
Bumps are also used to bring traffic down well below the posted limits.
I suspect this was a problem that didn't need to be solved.
I mean I'm happy they are proud of their invention but, please. Don't make me laugh.
Well, maybe not all drivers, but one driver who hates that damn speed bump that he has to drive over every day is enough to make that baby bleed. :)
I'm just being realistic. I've lived in an impoverished area all of my life and I know how things here work. I'm saying what I honestly believe would happen with these.
Put one in a rural area and eventually someone will come along and shoot it.
That's what happens to absurdly low speed limits and moronically placed stop signs. I don't see why a speed bump would be any different.