Apple drops Consumer Reports/iPhone 4 discussion threads

I'm not buying this - how does an iPhone 4 antenna issue affect someone that didn't even buy one? Are you being harmed if someone you call gets a dropped call because they held their iPhone 4 in the wrong way?

So your concern is that Android and MS will start creating dubious antenna designs? Sheik, what a bunch of copycats.

I think Apple's stance, that anyone who isn't satisfied with the iPhone 4 can return it within 30 days, is the right way to go. They said it before ANYONE had their phone for more than 30 days. Instead the people who weren't satisfied filed a class action lawsuit against Apple for making a "flawed" product.

Can you tell me again why Apple OWES you a product that is perfectly free of defects? To the point of you being able to purchase that product and suing them over it instead of just getting a simple refund?

This is as if they walked into the store, purchased the phone and yelled (across the internet) "this is a crappy phone, don't give me my money back, get me my lawyer". They then walked out of the store, and proceeded to use that phone for months while the trial went through its paces. Likely those months of horrible reception will only add to the charges they will put against the iPhone.

Also, could people direct this feeling elsewhere, where it is more meaningful and productive?

The funny thing is, I don't actually see this sort of behavior from Apple fans. There isn't that underlying insecurity that causes kids who can't afford multiple consoles to get into fanboy wars. We're generally happy enough with our choices that we don't feel the need to constantly attack people who chose differently. We often do explain why we think Apple products are better, but that's largely because we can't believe how competitors keep getting it wrong, not because we're trying to calm inner anxieties about having made the wrong choice. (It still amazes me how bad the interface design on MP3 players were years after the iPod took over the market.)

The problem is that there are now tons of anti-Apple trolls hanging out on the Internet, a lot of whom are Android users who apparently feel the need to attack iPhone users with every spare moment. (Naturally, we defend ourselves.) What guts me is seeing this juvenile behavior on Hacker freaking News. This is by far one of the best online communities I've ever seen, but the anti-Apple trolling has definitely taken it down a notch.

Yes but I have never seen an Xbox fanboy go onto Sony forums and start trashing the PS3. Yet this is a regular occurrence on Apple forums.

"I think some of the hatred is directed at that behavior."

Those would have to be really sad folks. Why should anyone hate somebody for standing in-line for days to purchase an, in my opinion, overpriced gadget.

I think more to the point is that Apple fanatics defend anything that Apple pulls off. I could come up with a multitude of examples, but my favorite is the finder bug, that when you moved a file to a different volume this may have resulted in complete loss of the file (something Unix figured out, like, 30 years ago). (http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/movebug.html)

This is a bug, bugs happen and they can (and usually are fixed). But you had a bunch of rabid Apple fanatics who poisoned just about every discussion by trying to defend something undefensible.

It's the same reason why you can't have reasonable discussions with members of a cult. What the dear leader says is THE TRUTH and everybody else is out there to get us, infiltrate us and destroy us.

I may be modded to hell and then some for this comment, but that's really how I see it and it's annoying behaviour.

I'm having trouble understanding.

Is it okay for people to talk about the issue, and to reference an article talking about how, no, it really does exist, or not?

Am I missing something here? Oversimplifying it?

Can you imagine the shitstorm if microsoft released a copy of windows that crashed every time you tried to use the sound feature, then refused that that was happening, then told people to just not use the sound, then banned any postings on their support forums which referenced an article confirming that it was, in fact, happening?

Pretty rare and overblown. The issues only affected some campus wifi networks with short DHCP leases. iPad has some unique features that allow it to receive push emails and notifications even while it is in sleep mode, by keeping the wifi connection active. Apparently it isn't yet smart enough to renew it's DHCP lease while in this sleep mode, so it was staying on a leased IP after the expiration time.

You were probably only affected if you were using an iPad on specific University campuses, and I see no reason why the network admins couldn't work around it by giving out longer DHCP leases to iPad specific hardware, at least, until an official fix was issued.

The iPad has overall been surprisingly bug free for a 1.0 product.

When has Negative PR kept a dominant technology company from remaining dominant?