Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How
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Separately I'm getting all kinds of people from that town, I can only imagine why, but it's pretty damn scary. And of course I have to wonder who I'm being recommended to and/or my family is being recommended to.
Craziest FB story ever though. Glad you are ok.
This has happened with some of my coworkers who I have no mutual friends with and live in a completely different city (didn’t connect to work internet or have GPS permissions on FB either).
For example you and a group of 10 other people took photos at the same location which FB sees as a small gathering of intimate friends. It will need to qualify the location is not a public restaurant to be sure its an intimate gathering. The chances of you connecting with that person are then really high. And if you are and the other person are in each others photos, then it's almost a certainty you will end up connecting on FB should FB recommend the connection. The more connected FB's network is, the more it can extrapolate based on commonalities from the first degree graph of your network.
It's also the reason why Google is betting so heavy on photos and offering free unlimited storage -- remember, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Google wants to build a social network graph based on location and facial recognition to draw on proximity.
With AI this will get even more uncanny. For example a wedding will have a certain photography profile (number of pics taken, the time of day, the location and venue based on Google Maps or past photographing histroy, the lighting in the photos, etc). Once you throw AI into the mix you realize Google doesn't need to draw out any conclusions. It can throw all these parameters into the AI engine and draw up proximity.
In this case, Google or FB will not be able to tell you how they drew the connection, because even they won't know. All you can assume is the AI engine will take dozens of parameters today and hundreds tomorrow. Google's deep investment in AI infrastructure is a bigger testament to this.
As per the author's aritcle it is definitely not a direct connection. FB relies heavily on first-degree connection analysis. If you and I end up in the same phonebook (which the author mentions) or the same photograph and FB connects us, we'll never know why. The not knowing why part makes it uncanny.
Facebook is to people what Google is to websites. It is in the business of enriching its social graph in every way possible and then running profiling algorithms on that graph. Google by contrast crawls and pageranks the crawled graph.
FB has literally hundreds of data sources to enrich their social graph and profile data.
A good start is their list of acquisitions [1] in the space of offline applications, social networking aggregators, contact importers, photo management, private conversations, travel recommendations, check-ins/status updates, etc.
Then consider the FB partnerships with ride hailing services, retail apps, music apps, etc.
Then consider it's own apps and features around events, calendering, photos and instant messaging.
Also consider the state of technology in NLP, AI and image recognition.
Also consider the FB integrations with tens of thousands of apps for social auth, share buttons and advertising.
Writing this post, I have surprised even myself as to how much data they have access to.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...
Pretty sure any given computation could be traced, though it might take a bit of work and need to be captured fairly quickly...
Reminds me of this comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2460#comic
There's also the option that before bringing up something in conversation, your friend has made some related searches or reacted to a related ad. Facebook could then make the decision to show the ad to you based on your friend past behavior and the fact that you two had a conversation.
This is similar to the Cocktail Party Effect
Clearly Facebook uses many, many sources of data.
Have you considered the possibility that those other people have been searching for you on FB for some reason?
Well, isn't it obvious though? Facebook owns WhatsApp and has access to both "social graphs".
(Plus, it can also infer "people you may know" from people your friends in FB and Whatsapp know).
For example, if you CC company sends your transaction history to FB without any identification information, FB could still know that transaction history by linking your smartphone location data to the transaction history.
For example, if they know you were at train station at X time and at a Rite Aid at X time and at a McDonald's at X time, they could go "map" that to a "CC customer data tranche". It is highly doubtful that two people would be at same locations at the same exact times with the same transactions at the same time.
FB is big enough to rely on their own data for most of their needs, but selling of your data is big business and everyone is doing it.
And as creepy as FB adding your neighbors to your "people you may know", the real creepy part is the B2B part where corporations sell their profiles of you to each other or to governments/colleges/etc.
And we are just at the beginnings of "datafication" of everyone. It's truly going to be a brave new world.
TL;DR: I think their graph includes non-FB-using people.
https://www.dailydot.com/news/facebook-shadow-profiles-priva...
Also one of the other relatives could have since joined Facebook to make this a little simpler.
This means a person can never really be "off Facebook"
It’d be interesting to make a BDSG §34 request about "People you may know", just to see how Facebook responds (and if you have to pull them through court)
Nothing about your shadow profile, though.
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That's Max Schrems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems) with his 1222 pages of FB data.
You are not "handing" them anything with an expectation of reciprocity, you (in most cases) willingly give up information about yourself to them in exchange for their free service. They don't need an "excuse" - you were as free to say "no" as they are to you.
I agree that in cases where others give up information about people they know there's no consent from the person (necessarily) but even that is between the person and their peers. There are people in my life who I don't share information with because I know how fast that information will spread if they know it; the kind of privacy etiquette required to respect people's privacy wishes will likely become more commonplace as it's made clear indexing organizations only know what people tell them.
I've been against facebook for some time yet even I don't agree with writers of sensationalist pieces like this. You have what's coming to you when you use third party services like facebook then complain about the imbalance of power they imply. Turns out the reason people who adamantly don't use those services do so other than just 'hipsterism' or whatever you thought were their reasons.
You are not free to say no to facebook.
You do not hand your information to them, they take it. There's a reason they buy information from "data brokers", and it's because it include information you are not willingly giving to them.
Funny, that's exactly what I and many others did/do.
Seriously, would love to know. They keep a profile for any person that they think a facebook member knows, so how do I stop them from creating that profile?
I am not used by FB but it most certainly maintains an account of me.
Additionally, handing over data does not give FB full usage rights to it. At least in the EU, data subjects enjoy the basic right of informational self determination. FB may have to answer in a more comprehensive manner with the GDPR coming into effect.
Maybe it was a coincidence but it made me very anxious so I left the platform.
What were you anxious about happening as a result?
-- Yonatan Zunger, former chief architect, Google+
https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/WegYVNkZQqq
There are further historical lines of reasoning. Hacker News and its editors don't care to see them discussed:
Of course, in the background they likely knew you were more connected through mutual friends, contacts, etc
Although on second thoughts that might be via FB messenger app having access to contacts. Either way it figures out the person via the phone number.
How often would a random selection of 1000 people from the 300 million be expected to intersect with the 10,000?
There are billions of facebook users, so this should be happening all the time by pure chance. But of course it's not pure chance. Facebook will be selecting from a pool much much smaller than 300 million, and the selections won't be random.
Combined with 2nd and 3rd degree phone and email connections that might be a strong indicator for FBs algorithm.
Their privacy, not yours.
why does people think this is rocket science? even the supposedly clever people here try to imagine complex algorithms. geez. its 1:1 text match on phone numbers.
their genius move was getting enough idiots uploading their entire phone address book for free.
They put a lot of effort into tracking sites you browse, their phone app slurps up any possible data to improve your profile, starting with location info, and going all the way to uploading photos from your camera gallery to Facebook, to be analyzed for face recognition.
The other day, I had a couple of friends at my place. At some point, we decided to order pizzas. We did so online, at my usual pizzeria. 30 minutes later (not sure of the delay, but it was before pizzas were delivered), one of my friend check her facebook on her mobile and see ... an ad for that pizzeria. She said she's never seen the ad before, nor ever ordered at that pizzeria.
The best I could guess about it would probably make use of phones gps, detecting we were close and what I was doing on the net, through social share buttons tracking. Anyway, that's outrageous. Facebook use of personal data is that creepy thing we were all afraid Google would do. It really feels like having a glass of wine in your sofa, and the telephone rings and someone unknown says : "cheers!".
Possible, but unlikely: the pizzeria was using a tracking pixel with a purchase event and was targeting ads to friends of purchasers. I don't think you can do this exact kind of targeting (but not sure) and it's pretty sophisticated for some random pizza place.
By far the most likely scenario is a mix of coincidence and confirmation bias. The pizzeria was just running geo and time of day ads and your friend did not notice or remember until this event made it seem significant.
So even if you've never been tagged in a photo or checked into a location, there is a possibility that just by appearing in a random stranger's Facebook photo, they would be able to place you in the vicinity of said stranger at a particular time, and make more conclusions/connections from there.
I told my wife about the purchase and 10 minutes later she sees the exact same kit that I bought in her FB ads.
Does this mean that Amazon sells/shares this data or I am too paranoid? However it's hard to believe in such a coincidence.
Actually one doesn't even need to sign in to it.
I've noticed that, but not sure if the author of the article had it that way as the other person said she didn't know her.
Facebook shows Bob a suggestion to add Alice.
It doesn't explain all cases, but it does explain quite a few.
Facebook is a "search giant" now?
This link seems to be working
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/08/facebook-figured-out-my-f...
https://ww2gravestone.com/holocaust-in-the-netherlands/
For contemporary instances, consider that the present U.S. administration openly supports racist, neo-Nazi, White Supremecist, and similar organisations. Social-graph association of undocumented immigrants, Muslims, gang- (or non-gang-) members, or similar inferences, all come readily to mind.
You can make a point without stooping to tenuous, politically motivated, and controversial accusations.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion on how "serious" the situation is but I, (and probably others) would appreciate it if you kept the hyperbole and rhetoric minimized. Your original point stands fine without it, and in fact that accusation weakens your entire post and makes it appear little more than a simple troll.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865686908/Sen-Mike-Lee-re...
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/346348-hatch-my-brother-d...
"Sometimes the truth is X" is not a universally applicable maxim. If you really believe the above, you should probably look up what "flamebait" means.
But words have meaning, and calling this "open support" is flat lying. He's unbelievably terrible at the job of president and human being: you don't need to lie in order to make the case that he is.
Just because your bubble (and my own) consists entirely of people who are aware of how terrible he is doesn't mean everyone is, and lying for political reasons is exactly the kind of thing that makes big chunks of the country inhabit alternate realities where all news is fake and the notion of a fact disappears from political discourse. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I don't know how much more explicit you expect his support of white supremacists to be. (Honestly, I doubt you're engaging genuinely at all.)
Dude, are you kidding me? You're looking at someone who said:
“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans,”
and you can't think of a way for him to support them less? Are you really that obtuse, or are you just playing dumb?
Here's a really simple, utterly obvious way he could have been closer to "open support" (other than uh, openly expressing support......): _not repudiating them_. I honestly can't believe I just sincerely explained a tautology to someone.
This falls into the same line of thinking as "I need my assault weapon to fight the government when it becomes tyrannical." It's an unreasonable conclusion that comes from a reasonable set of first principals because the landscape is so different now than in the comparing period.
For examples of each:
AT&T maintain call-level history of its subscribers dating to the 1980s, which has been provided to the US DEA.
Google have disclosed information to both Chinese and Russian nationals, through extralegal, non-discretionary disclosures. The first occured when the accounts of Chinese nationals involved in the Free Tibet movement were hacked. The latter when an email account belonging to Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, was hacked by parties strongly linked to the present Russian government.
"You can't disclose what you don't have" is a well-established principle of data security. You'll find variants of it offered by Gene Spafford, Bruce Schneier, Eben Moglen, Cory Doctorow, and others. Or in the alternative, "data are vulnerability".
Sources:
Google / China / Tibet: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-not-only-target-of-china-...
Podesta / Clinton: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg7xjb/how-hacker...
AT&T / DEA: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/att-gives-dea-26...
If you're in the center, like me, then you recognise there are credible reasons the landscape is similar enough. Any nation can turn fairly quickly as the political tides shift. History is replete with examples. It is usually only a matter of months.
Boy, this got off-track fast.
Not true, highly offensive, and inflammatory. Citations obviously required.
I try not to follow what the guy says too closely, but do you have any source for this? The last thing on the topic I recall him saying was a repudiation of said groups.
I feel like I would've heard about it if he openly supported any of these groups.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15105534 and marked it off-topic.
I'm finding HN's views on this matter increasingly untenable.
I'd suggest you please not do that.
whatsapp is just a lucky because you have to add a phone numbers to youre phone's contacts to talk on whatsapp.