Some wealthy people are injecting blood from teenagers to gain ‘immortality’
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+ there are critics/skeptics of it's scientific viability as well as the costs considering it's unproven.
Key quote:
> “There's just no clinical evidence [that the treatment will be beneficial],” argues Tony Wyss-Coray, the Stanford neuroscientist behind a key 2014 mice parabiosis study. For one thing, Karmazin’s trial does not use a placebo control group and participants can be as young as 35.
Life has been an adventure and dying will be one too. Hell, I'm surprised I've lived this long so everyday is good, but I'd feel pretty creepy inside if I did something like this.
I'm not a believer in nothingness. I feel we carry what we do with us forever. I wouldn't want this following me, not even from 10,000 years away.
I wonder if they knew this...
We've all seen marketing speak, but wow :)
This guy is saying this is pretty close to immortality.
He has no idea what he is talking about, what a scam artist.
Over time, the demand for young blood continued to grow but there was a stubbornly limited supply. A new batch of YCombinator "blood startups" aimed to disrupt the industry by supplying devices that made it more convenient to infuse blood directly into your bloodstream.
One company based in Menlo Park, dracul.ai, developed a set of titanium prosthetic fangs that would eliminate the need for an expensive IV procedure and hospital visit. Instead, the blood was extracted directly into the fangs, which were than purified by nanotubes and fed directly into users' bloodstreams.
Scattered reports came out that wealthy users were luring young candidates to their large Woodsite and Atherton estates and extracting blood from victicms, without consent.
Company founder (who simply goes by monicker "Vlad") vehemently denies such allegations.
Obviously, this could all translate perfectly into a story of late capitalist vampires living in a condo-converted church in the mission...
What can be done, will be done. Too much to win with military budgets here, that's only what hits the more and more strongly regulated public news.
Edit: My sentiment is to no trust any goverment denying mass experiments. Too much insanity in the politic, bureaucratic power lust.
Of course, they aren't interested in proving whether it actually works. They will report that patients experienced subjective benefits and then engineer some surrogate blood biomarker of youth that 'improves' after transfusion. Then they will sell a transfusion product for at least the next 10-20 years it will take a proper trial to be conducted by someone else.
Can we ethically ask if it does work?
The only reason why I'm willing to part with my supposedly-precious O- blood is because I'm reasonably confident that the blood will be going to people who actually need it. Otherwise-healthy old people using my blood as some kind of sick fountain of youth completely throws that dynamic out of the window. That's my blood, and I will be paid for both the blood itself and the time out of my day, and I will be paid very handsomely, or the old rich people will be out of luck.
This is especially true during clinical trials.
"He adds that because patients are paying it wouldn't be fair to give anyone a placebo."
The only study here is one in how to seperate people from $8k with the promise of near immortality from blood that was taken under the pretense of helping people who actually need it.
Next question.
"Many of the uses of fetal tissue — and much of the debate — are not new. "It's just that the public is finding out about it," said Insoo Hyun, associate professor of bioethics at Case Western Reserve University.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/health/fetal-tissue-explainer/...
These transfusion initiatives are one of a number of outgrowths of parabiosis research in mice. Heterochronic parabiosis is the name given to connecting the circulatory systems of an old and a young individual. The older mouse shows a modest rejuvenation in a number of measures of aging, and the younger mouse shows some greater signs of aging - though most of the focus here has been on the old mouse. In recent years this technique has been used to search for potentially actionable differences in levels of specific signal molecules circulating in the bloodstream. For example, stem cell activity declines with aging, and this is likely governed by signaling processes. If levels of the most relevant molecules could be adjusted in old individuals, it might be possible to produce benefits that look quite similar to those of stem cell therapies: increased regeneration and tissue maintenance. This class of approach puts damaged, aged cells back to work, and does little to address causes of aging based on accumulation of metabolic waste, such as cross-links that stiffen blood vessels, but to the degree that it can improve health it is probably worthy of further investigation in the same way as stem cell therapy was back in the day.
One potential shortcut to the production of therapies is to perform transfusions: deliver young blood or young plasma to old individuals. I call this a potential shortcut because it really is still very uncertain as to (a) whether or not the whole process works in humans anywhere near as well as it works in mice, and (b) whether or not transfusions will recapture the effects of parabiosis to a useful degree. The evidence in mice suggests so far that it may not. It is possible to paint all sorts of scenarios in which the fact that old and young cells are in contact, feeding signals to one another in a feedback loop, is necessary to produce beneficial changes in the old individual. It is also possible to imagine signals with a short half-life, that won't be recaptured in transfusions, or changes in the old environment that are based on an increased level of specific signal molecules. That increased level won't be changed in the slightest by the arrival of some amount of young blood plasma. Only reduced levels are likely to be impacted that way.
In any case, testing and perhaps ruling out the fast path of transfusions seems like a fair plan. If it works, it will draw in more funding to build the better option of manipulating signal molecule levels directly. It if doesn't work, that result will direct scientists to focus on more productive lines of research and development. There is some grumbling from the expected quarters over the structuring of this present initiative by Ambrosia, but getting it done is better than not getting it done. The data will be useful in the sense that only sizable effects are interesting, and thus before and after data for participants will be convincing. Marginal effects, of the sort in which it would have been useful to have a control group to establish whether or not any benefits actually resulted, would mean that this probably isn't worth further exploration. Still, this well demonstrates the fact that many scientists who work within the heavily regulated, slow, and repressive system of medical development really don't like it when people try to get things done more rapidly and more inventively. To the extent that it closes down productive avenues, this is a dangerous attitude.
Recent commentary suggests that none of the results so far are either large enough or extensive enough to definitively be something other than the placebo effect, chance, or other items such as a patient making lifestyle changes. I think there is some skepticism regarding the potential effectiveness of transfusions of young blood in any case; the data is somewhat mixed, and underlying theory on what is going on still in flux. Recent research suggests that the effects observed in parabiosis studies of mice with joined circulatory systems are due to a dilution of harmful factors in old blood rather than a delivery of helpful factors from young blood, for example. If the case, that would mean that transfusions should produce very limited results at best. Still, obtaining data is the important thing, and that is what is being done here. Those complaining the loudest should put in the work to raise funds and run a study they way they would prefer to.