Naval Vessels, Shadowy by Intent, Are Hard for Commercial Ships to Spot
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In open water, large vessels like that give way to smaller vessels when appropriate all the time.
https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=def3g_RAM https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=def3h_CBD
Passive sonar would pick up a tanker if the engines are running fast enough or the ship isn't particularly streamlined (which tankers invariably aren't) so this is probably a failure of communication.
Likewise also don't understand why the article goes on and on about more clever ways the collision avoidance system could be programed. No collision avoidance system can help you if the operators of the stealthy war-machine drop the ball.
Even in that case, it's the same as the passive sonar example I illustrated: the ship is there and you can see it, but they didn't avoid it anyway. Failure of communication.
I don't understand how, after three accidents, they don't have a policy of careful watch in an area like that. Something still doesn't smell right with the info we're getting.
Just spec it to GD like "y'know that beep that I get on my car when I'm about to backup into a tree? Let's get that on these boats."
Lots of things beeping and going off just results in them been ignored, this had happened on flight decks and hospitals.
Semi-autonmous collision avoidance that's on by default however could be an interesting idea.
To err is human, to really fuck up requires a computer - as one of my professors used to say.
As cars have repeatedly demonstrated, LiDAR doesn't work well when there's water droplets in the air such as rain, snow, fog, or sea spray.
Your minivan doesn't have these concerns.
It’s perfectly normal to see this in our own waters. AIS will identify the vessel as being named simply “Warship” or “Surfaced Submarine” (where “Warship” means “none of your business”, and “Surfaced Submarine” should be treated as a hazard to be actively avoided, as they're damned difficult to spot). They usually won’t give any useful to/from port (part of the AIS messages), and I’m not convinced their MMSI (identifying number) is actually fixed, but more likely disposable (or in practice, simply ‘0’).
And that’s okay. We can work with that. I don’t actually need to know who they are, I just need a location, course and speed so my radio can calculate whether our closest point (CPA) is uncomfortable, and the designation of “Warship” is perfectly sufficient to ensure my eyeballs and the computer are talking about the same vessel. MMSI should be useful, but rarely is - Warships are surprisingly difficult to raise on civilian radio. It's not unusual for them to have no idea how the civil band is channelized. In & around ports if you need to communicate with them, it's best to look for their police escort & raise them, and anywhere else .. "If it's grey, stay away".
There’s entire oceans for them to go play hide’n’seek in. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that when they’re in a shipping lane, they obey the rules of the road - in peacetime at least. If they want to be invisible, perhaps the worlds busiest shipping lanes aren't the best hiding places.
Or, look at it this way. If a small sailboat was arsing around in one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes, at night, with no navigation lights, no AIS, no radar reflector, and what appears to be insufficient watch-keeping/lookout - and got mown down by a frieghter - you’d have very little sympathy. “That’s a terrible shame, but realistically inevitable”.
This is exactly what the USN look like to everyone else on the shipping lane. Playing hide’n’seek on a busy road, and wondering how these accidents keep happening. And yes, they should be blamed for any incident where the bare minimum of good behaviour would have averted entirely. (I should say seamanship, but this concept is long since lost on the USN)
[0] confirmed by this piece by a recent US destroyer commander: https://warontherocks.com/2017/06/how-could-this-happen-the-...
I really get your point about stealth and would agree that it would make sense not to use radar. On the other hand, if you can't avoid collisions (for whatever reasons) your position will be known very quickly anyway.
It's not exactly war, but it isn't exactly peace. Do you see what I'm driving at?
Convinced me to think about it as an accident instead of some conspiracy to hurt us navy through various merchant vessel crashes.
If that tanker were loaded with explosives and had malicious intent, we'd be missing a lot more than 10 sailors.
edit: changed 12,000 ton to 30,000 ton. It was carrying 12,000 tons of fuel oil but is a 30,000 GT vessel.
In a less friendly neighborhood of the ocean no vessel would be allowed anywhere near that close to a navel vessel without permission. It's not like they don't already know how to protect themselves.
Broadcasting your position in peacetime sounds good until it's not peacetime.
Of course the question is then - is any nation-state suicidal enough to launch a large scale pre-emptive strike on the US Navy.. Terrorists of course are another matter.
The Navy just punished another crew for running a destroyer into a cargo ship. I'd imagine we'll see a similar response here.