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Casual sex is not enough to explain this. In occident women decline this kind of proposals all the time. The european men know that this is normal and not a drama. Is deeply engraved in the culture. In 99,99% of the cases we'll need a stronger emotion for explain a murder than "my weekeend plan for casual sex with a complete stranger failed".

I don't think that the man is just a crippled psycho in disguise. Smart people can't avoid thinking logically, even if their acts seem irrational. There is always a subjacent current of logic... And here comes the third option

3. The women did something that was taken as a menace to his current ego/status and elicit a strong 'defensive' reaction.

The journalist can't be a menace for his wife or family (It seems they are publicly in an open relation). So probably is not sexual.

The man loves with passion other thing; His work. Maybe she did something that was seen as a menace against the other love of his life, his submarine. Maybe she poke around and tried to sneak/photograph/open/discover some parts of the engine with the purpose to earn some bucks selling the submarine secrets when returning to China. I'm speculating of course, but unless he was drunk or drugged (unprobable while driving a sub), or both where flirting for months by e-mail and he feels cheated, there should be a solid reason for she being 'punished' with death. This is not a random act IMAO.

> Maybe she poke around and tried to sneak/photograph/open/discover some parts of the engine with the purpose to earn some bucks selling the submarine secrets when returning to China.

Really, this is the best you could come up with?

This is a hobby sub, not something that is top secret and run by the US navy. Madsen's sub has no secrets worth a dime.

A hobby can mean still serious bussiness if you find the right buyer (Think in minecraft for example).

Casually China has the strongest and biggest (ever-expanding) aquaculture sector in the entire planet. Militar technology is totally out of reach for they, too big, and uncloneable, but I bet that a lot of chinese (or norwegian) seafarming companies could find good uses for a toy like this.

> A hobby can mean still serious bussiness if you find the right buyer (Think in minecraft for example).

Building a submarine is not that kind of a hobby.

> Casually China has the strongest and biggest (ever-expanding) aquaculture sector in the entire planet.

Yes, so they don't have much to learn from your average hobbyist sub builder.

> Militar technology is totally out of reach for they, too big, and uncloneable, but I bet that a lot of companies with fresh money to burn could find good uses for a toy like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_093_submarine

How is that for a toy? That's a nuclear powered sub the Chinese have a bunch of them, this one displaces 7000 tonnes submerged compared to the 40 tons of the Nautilus, has a crush depth orders of magnitude deeper than the Nautilus and carries a bunch of cruise missiles.

Do you honestly believe the Chinese could learn even a single useful thing from Madsen's toy?

The only people with a direct interest in running private submarines are the drug cartels and some salvage companies, and neither of those would lead to Madsen killing a journalist.

a toy like this = referred to the madsen submarine

> Do you honestly believe the Chinese could learn even a single useful thing from Madsen's toy?

I honestly believe that 99% of people in China don't know how to build a submarine or have free access to militar technology so, yes I do.

But lets explore your idea. If the reason is neither the passengers, nor the submarine, must be in the cargo. "Somebody found a shipload of something illegal, thus must be 'silenced'". Is a perfectly valid hypothesis. The problem is that: 1) No drugs where found and 2) would the guy be so dumb as to invite a journalist to enter in a relatively small submarine if there was a shipload of something illegal inside? It seems unlikely to me.

You have a very rich imagination.

There are far simpler explanations which do not involve foreign powers, secrets, drugs and so on.

If Peter Madsen turns out to be a drug smuggler on top of a murderer I guess it shouldn't surprise me but I'd put the seduction gone wrong entry a lot higher on the list of likely possibilities.

As for the 99% of the people in China, that's a nice attempt at reverse Chinese math, we're still looking at 10 million people then who know how to build a submarine? I'd be highly surprised if it was even 1% of that. The regular people in China need a submarine about as much as you or I do, which is not at all, which is one of the reasons why Madsens' efforts were notable in the first place.

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