The only good thing about joining this company is good work-life balance as there is no much work for you to do.
Not only do these Big IT companies hire in mass, they also spend insane amounts of money and time training students who come out of college without exposure to real work.
Yeah they pay peanuts and yes you would be just a face in the crowd. But they likely give you the biggest break of your life.
People need to show some gratitude.
1. The training is useful only if you are allocated to the project in the same domain.
2. You are trained in some relevant tech so that you can look for jobs else where.
Both of this is not the case. Mostly everyone is trained in mysql, language(Java, C# etc) or maybe mainframe systems. What extra are you getting over a self taught programmer. (You would get very less in real because the later has some experience working with some project where as you have none). You are then allocated to some support project where you don't get a chance to write a single line of code.
Any company that is likely to hire can only give you base set of skills, beyond this its on you take it forward from there. Also in my experience these companies have routine training for most bleeding edge tech. Not many people sign up for it. During my time there, very few people had the inclination or appetite to take on technically intensive work and bulk of the crowd was in only because they needed a job and it was easy to get one here.
Plus the motivation of many people was getting easy abroad travel opportunities and ability to get by life doing low intensity tech work at a good monthly pay.
I have worked for a year in IBM. We had a two weeks training course on Lotus Notes, sub-contracted out to a training institute. In a dingy place, in an inner part of the city.
Even in companies like Infosys, most training is done in-house. So we are not talking about insane amounts of money. Additionally, if you need to really spend insane amounts of money to train freshers, then either you are hiring wrong, or you are dumping complex work on them. Either way, it's the problem of the company.
> students who come out of college without exposure to real work.
Of course, students out of college will not have any exposure to real work. There is no real internship system in India.
Also, training fresh students, just out of college is a process followed by literally every company on earth, which is hiring freshers.
> Yeah they pay peanuts and yes you would be just a face in the crowd. But they likely give you the biggest break of your life.
They are able to do this because, there is a huge supply of educated engineers, and an acute shortage of jobs. Companies like Infosys mostly outsource mundane work, to hastily trained engineers (to join Infosys, it doesn't matter what your major is, Electrical, Civil, Mechanical, Aero, anything will do.), essentially using them as mules. Fortunately, unlike the coal workers of previous generations, the domain of work allows for natural skill development. So yes, a break in life, but not the biggest.
> People need to show some gratitude.
They do. There is a lot of gratitude. But also simmering anger at the failure of stalwarts like Infosys for failing to develop business to move up the value chain.
Personally they should have improved upon the service business. All the present good frameworks etc does not need to be rewritten but has to applied in a better way.
However, BigIT in India could have latched onto that work and move into core product development.
Two reasons they did not.
One, their cash cow is service and moving people into product development would hurt their bottomline.
Two, they failed to see the obvious growing threat of automation. This I think is their biggest failure.
When you see the threat to your core business, its your responsibility to plan for the future.
Infosys provides free housing AND pays salaries for 4-6 month training period, during which you don't do a dust-peck worth of production work. This is for thousands of freshers. So yes its for all practical purposes insane amount of money.
>>Additionally, if you need to really spend insane amounts of money to train freshers, then either you are hiring wrong, or you are dumping complex work on them.
When given good work complain the work is too complex, when not given complain of lack of opportunities to learn.
>>Either way, it's the problem of the company.
Yeah, In India its always somebody else's problem.
>>Of course, students out of college will not have any exposure to real work. There is no real internship system in India.
There is. It doesn't arrive on a plate though campus placements.
>>Also, training fresh students, just out of college is a process followed by literally every company on earth, which is hiring freshers.
NO. In US you either perform or will be fired.
This level of entitlement among us Indians is sickening.
If people really think there are jobs and companies beneath them, please feel free to go work wherever you like.
World doesn't owe you a job on your terms.
> no growth
I've known people grow within Infosys just like any other big company
> they pay you peanuts and earn millions
Not sure which offices you are referring to - India or US. In India at least, they are at par with peers engaged in the same Services model.
> They treat you like shit
Subjective. Depending on what you expected and what you got in return.
> You'll be just another fish in the sea.
This I agree. But, that's just like any other big corporate company unless you know how to navigate your way out in the maze.
> no much work for you to do
Again subjective. I have come across people who complain of too much work.
The better alternative will be to join a product company if the OP has an option, rather than a services company, as other comments suggest. Any Services company operates predominantly on a head count / person hours model as against a product company or a product based start up which have completely different dynamics.
So if I go into a company expecting to be treated like shit, it's all good then?
To be clear, what I meant was - if you walk into a services based company with the expectation of working in a niche or a good product building experience, you may be disappointed. Peoples' expectation on the work they get and what it turns out to be (the project you are assigned etc.,) might make them feel like they are treated like shit.
If on any other ground (HR grounds, facilities, equality etc.,), they treat people like shit, then it's no more subjective, but subject to law of the land and corporate laws.