Let's hope he doesn't sign up for hacker news.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042291 and marked it off-topic.
Bollocks. This is the case in quite a few countries but America is an exception to this rule. Let me explain why: In America, contrary to many other countries the accused has his mug shot, full name, house address and plenty of other details including conversation with his neighbors and his grade school teacher paraded in the media some times even before they've been properly charged.
When Hans Reiser was accused of the murder of his wife I was one of very few people on HN asking for people to hold back their judgment until the facts were in and until he was declared guilty (which eventually happened).
One reason for this is that there was at that point in time no evidence at all that he had actually committed that crime, all there was was a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence.
Now, if there had been a home video of Reiser killing his wife on youtube then that would have held me back from making that comment, even if for legal purposes the judge would still have had to go through the whole 'presumed innocent' routine the facts would have proven to me that he would be found guilty with a likelihood close enough to certainty that advocating his innocence until proven guilty would border on the grotesque.
So, if you want to take a stand here and advocate that this person, who used his car to attempt to murder dozens and who successfully murdered at least one person and who is on the record as being a supporter of a group of people which has made no bones about their willingness to do violence and of who we have some pretty good video of him doing that particular deed of which he stands accused them I'm fine wit h that, that's your right. In the meantime the accused has his name plastered all over the media and he's going to have a hard time even finding a jury that is not already roughly where I am: that if he's going to plead 'not guilty' he's going to have to pull an outside size rabbit out of his hat.
FWIW and if you haven't seen it yet, go watch the video footage (which to me is some pretty strong proof) of this persons actions and then come back here and argue their innocence.
And if you are really so concerned about the rights of the accused put in a cent or two towards protecting their privacy in the media until they've been found guilty, you know, like countries do that really care about protection of the individual against the tyranny of the mob.
> Bollocks. This is the case in quite a few countries but America is an exception to this rule.
I was speaking to you, the individual jacquesm, not your tribe. I was trying to be "that guy" who always says, "now let's not rush to judgment" all while the mob is grinding their axes and reaching for their pitchforks.
> When Hans Reiser was accused of the murder of his wife I was one of very few people on HN asking for people to hold back their judgment until the facts were in and until he was declared guilty.
I think I was too, (I hope I was too, it was a long time ago, I don't remember). Too many lazy folks rush to judge after they're fed whatever line they get in the media.
> So, if you want to take a stand here and advocate that this person, who used his car to attempt to murder dozens and who successfully murdered at least one person and who is on the record as being a supporter of a group of people which has made no bones about their willingness to do violence and of who we have some pretty good video of him doing that particular deed of which he stands accused them I'm fine with that, that's your right. In the meantime the accused has his name plastered all over the media and he's going to have a hard time even finding a jury that is not already roughly where I am: that if he's going to plead 'not guilty' he's going to have to pull an outside size rabbit out of his hat.
I can't rush to judge the guy even though there's video evidence showing vicious killing. He might have chosen the wrong day to go off his meds and was insane that day. Let the facts come out and pray justice is properly served.
Whether he's guilty or not, I don't want to live with him. I want him put away forever at the very least, irregardless of his motives or frame of mind when he went on the rampage.
I simply won't call the guy a murderer until he's judged that way, but other than that I hope we don't disagree much.
> And if you are really so concerned about the rights of the accused put in a cent or two towards protecting their privacy in the media until they've been found guilty, you know, like countries do that really care about protection of the individual against the tyranny of the mob.
America is so screwed up, I know. The bloodsuckin' media whores, corporations getting the finest government they can buy, the broken culture. It's enough to drive me to the bottle.
I can't do much to fix the brokenness, but I can at least speak and encourage others to the good. Based on what you've written in the past, I think your heart in the right place, and I don't think I can lecture you where good is concerned.