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Just curious: if they solve it in Python, would it be possible to solve it in Ruby too ?

JRuby, Rubinius and TruffleRuby are all existing implementations of Ruby without a GIL.

This is in the cards for Ruby 3. The plan is to migrate away from a global interpreter lock to "guilds" which are akin to execution contexts. These guilds also have a locking mechanism that allows for parallelism which they call the "global guild lock."

You can learn more about concurrency in Ruby 3 at this wonderful blog post: http://olivierlacan.com/posts/concurrency-in-ruby-3-with-gui...

It is already solved for Ruby when you use JRuby.

If I understand correctly the issue in Ruby is the existing C extensions that have been written to assume the lock exists...

It's the same issue with Python. AFAIK there are a number of Python libraries that are not thread-safe, and the GIL prevents them from being an issue.

GIL does not help thread safety in application code (and external libraries), just in the VM.

I'm fairly certain you're incorrect. With the GIL you don't have to lock shared memory because the assumption is that only one thread will be running at a time. For example shared data structures won't be changed while being being read/written to by multiple threads, because only one thread is actually running.

You are entirely mistaken, unless all you care about are the basic built in dict/list and some of the other built in data structures AND each thread only stores OR reads data (i.e. never reads and then stores it again), from a SINGLE container (you never care about consistent state between two different objects).

In my experience this is almost never the case. Moreover, this type of synchronization is trivial to accomplish with relatively little performance sacrifice.

What is much more complicated is getting more complex logic work correctly and performantly when you are interacting with multiple different data structures from something more than a saturated loop.

I thought the GIL was not held during execution of foreign code in python (at least that was one point given for why the GIL wasn't a big deal in practice).

No, it must be explicitly released. The GIL must be held to invoke almost all Python runtimes (main exceptions: acquiring the GIL, low-level allocator).

For this environment (ie. you already have some kind of concurrent GC) it is probably significantly easier problem for Ruby than for Python.

Ruby does not have that much dynamism compated to "everything is dict of pointers to dicts" Python.

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