First large-scale deep-sea floating offshore wind farm
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I wish more startups, or any large project in general, had this type of site.
- Statoil took over Hywind in 2008 when they acquired the O&G division of Hydro, and set up the first test turbine in 2009
- Shell is also active in offshore wind, so this is not limited to majority state owned companies
Offshore wind could be competitive in the early 2020's without subsidies, depending on your assumption of fossil fuel and CO2 prices
Bottom line: Floating offshore wind could be very promising in areas with deep water, such as Japan, so I would not call this busy work
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/business/energy-environme...
They are subject to final investment decision in 2020/21, so could be scrapped if commodity and CO2 prices don't move favorably
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/09/15/wind-energy-costs-set-c...
I work in IT, not offshore. My claims are based on living in Norway and reading about Statoil almost daily, and talking to people I know working in offshore, and on IT projects at Statoil. It is hard to find hard evidence for claims about Statoil. The closest thing i can find to evidence is to tell you to just check the headlines on some random Norwegian newspaper. This one is on the front page today: http://e24.no/energi/oljeinvesteringer/frykter-slutten-paa-s... one of the things stated there which could be relevant is that one project scheduled for completion in 2022 has had its construction costs cut in half from 100 billion NOK to 50 billion. Some would say this is evidence of Statoil being able to rationalize well. I would say this is evidence of Statoil having a history of over-spending. It all depends on your point of view, it is next to impossible to get the full picture.
"its priorities"
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167610515...
Its catenary mooring system resists rotation of the turbine hull. How much so, I can't say.
I suspect that by far the greatest rotational forces exerted on the structure are coming from wind, not from water, and these would result in low-frequency motions that could be countered by the already rotating nacelle. The smooth spar structure means that surface waves and currents don't result in huge moments about vertical.
What is hard to appreciate is the scale of these things, they are like 50% larger than the largest land based wind turbine. That is pretty amazingly huge. And I'm not sure how you do maintenance on one but they do look pretty amazing.
I cannot help but think during conditions where station keeping is really needed that the wind power would be at its highest, so it should be enough given the design of what is where.
Knowing nothing about anything, my first thought was the RP FLIP.
This adds far more complexity and risk than you might expect. Redundancy, reliability, etc. all are vitally important.
If one of several thrusters fails, and the environmental conditions are too great for the remaining thrusters to match, what happens?
How do you maintain the thrusters? You could have station-keeping with tugs during maintenance, but often maintenance of azimuthing thrusters requires a drydock.
Hypothetically speaking, if all the turbines were somewhat easily mobile, their position could be optimized for the given wind conditions. That could be pretty interesting! Today however that's science fiction.
Furthermore, there's always going to be a subsea tether for power. That's unavoidable.
In any case, moorings of various types are dumb, well-understood, and very effective.
The power tether would be quite minimal. Also, there is the possibility of creating untethered rigs that store hydrogen locally. Probably not feasible atm.
Indeed, but this is still a rather different scenario.
Drilling platforms engaged in drilling while under dynamic positioning are doing so under a quite reliable and robus classification, DP3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_positioning#Class_requ...
These are also manned platforms, having crews and stand-by support vessels to engage in the event something goes wrong.
It's also just one vessel with multiple thrusters, not dozens.
>Here, the requirements for keeping the rig in a fixed position are quite loose compared to a drilling rig.
Good point- the allowable excursions would probably be much greater than for a drilling rig.
>The power tether would be quite minimal.
Doable, for sure; minimal, I don't quite agree. It's still a complex system. And there's still probably going to be a transmission module for the shore cable.
>Also, there is the possibility of creating untethered rigs that store hydrogen locally. Probably not feasible atm.
Could be very interesting!
On the other hand, if you compare the risk of getting stranded to a big nuclear plant, it probably looks a lot better in comparison.
UK wind strike prices are now below the strike price negotiated for Hinckley Point C.
Nit-picking -- exclusive use of upper case overlays may look hip, but reduces clarity. M/S means either miles or mega-somethings per something. Whereas m/s means metres (only Americans spell them meters for reasons that aren't clear) per second.
[1] http://www.ref.org.uk/attachments/article/280/ref.hughes.19.... (see Figure 1, page 13, "Performance degradation due to age using equal weights")
[1] http://www.ewea.org/blog/2012/12/study-on-turbine-lifespan-j...
So now we are talking high sea docking to a moving structure in the North Sea, not going to happen in the winter. So any incident and you lose your entire season, and now you're in a downward spiral. I'm not saying this won't work, I'm saying it's a very complicated situation.
As someone who presumably works a bit more than you in the offshore construction industry, I'd love to see you quantify these statements. Especially since you imply them to be industry-wide, commonplace blights.
Woah there. I'm not picking a fight with you. You make some pretty bold claims like "they deliver insufficient foundations." Tolerances for verticality, foundation position, etc. are contractually obliged and delivered overwhelmingly with success.
>would be constructive and explain how the yaw works on floating systems?
"Floating systems" is too broadly undefined to give you an answer. Could be that the mooring design resists yaw motion within certain tolerances. Could be that yaw motion of the base is compensated by a rotating nacelle.
I think you're being evasive.
Do you think they have not thought about these problems as much or as effectively as you have?
How much have you thought about it, what expertise are you comparing to this company's proposals, and how do your proof of concept deployments compare to theirs in terms of size, scale, and longevity?
Yes, the marine environment is harsh. Corrosion is an issue. Maintenance is challenging. But these are not new problems: these are solvable (and solved) engineering challenges. The O&G industry has considerable overlap with offshore wind; foundation design, transportation and installation, etc., all well-understood and in practice for literally decades.
I haven't read the report you cited, but it is already 5 years old (much has changed in the past decade). The wind farm performance degredation they speak of in Denmark and the UK might have a lot to do with outdated technology of these older turbines. The first offshore farm in Denmark was built in 1991. Technologies since even 2010 have greatly improved.
Bio-fouling and corrosion are still huge problems though.
I'm also curious how cloudy/foggy ocean sites are compared to ideal desert-based land sites like Nevada. That also might be a factor.
Going to the expense of making a large offshore solar farm which is useless for half the day doesn't seem like as good an investment, even if all the other technical and weather issues were OK.
[1] https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm?source=solar-wind&wee...
And then you have to protect your project from salt water and the waves.
The waves are especially tough, because rogue waves can create pressures of 100 tons per square meter.
Also, the conditions at sea make me think that wind farms would have a bit of advantage. It would seem that during conditions that require the greatest energy to stabilize that wind has more power than solar.
[Volunteered at Audubon for a decade. Love birds. Also hope this windmill thing works out.]
Among the benefits of offshoring wind turbines is generally higher and more consistent wind speeds offshore, less nuisance due to noise, and the ability to construct larger, more effective turbines than is possible on land.
For solar, there's not necessarily more or better sunshine offshore. There's no reason an offshore solar panel would be fundamentally different from an onshore one. And due to the much harsher environment, much of the difference between the two would relate to corrosion protection and reliability (adding to its cost).
For offshore solar you'd have the complexity and cost of offshore installation and maintenance, without the clear benefit of better sun offshore. That's a hard pill to swallow when there's so much potential to have solar panels on land.
So the question is rather is it economically viable?