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> It's possible to have a discussion about these issues today. It's not rational to give special preference and excessive leeway to discussion that isn't actually fact based (and is in many ways based on nothing related to facts).

Well, that's great, because his points on gender differences are actually extensively backed by research. When he's talking about that, he isn't talking about what should be or what can be, he's talking about what is.

Even after clarifying to the poor-intended reader about what is, he still states that more diversity is what should be. He just doesn't agree with the present method.

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"Well, that's great, because his points on gender differences are actually extensively backed by research. When he's talking about that, he isn't talking about what should be or what can be, he's talking about what is."

Doing a lit review--i.e., knowing the research in a field--is a thing that take a lot of time and working in that field.

I'd trust this guy to be up to date on algorithm research, and present an even-handed exposition on what's good for task x or y, cause that's presumably the thing he spends his days doing.

I see no reason to assume that he can do a thorough, even-handed lit review on a field he doesn't have working experience with, like biology or evolutionary psychology.

There's also been a long history of using "science" to support objectionable ideas (e.g. scientific racism).

Saying this (not a researcher, not a biologist, not an evolutionary psychologist) guy's writing is extensively backed by research just doesn't move the needle for me in any way.

There's a penalty in society and your career for being an asshole. If you do something to make yourself wildly unpopular at work, even if it's well within the lines technically, you might be out of a job. The issue is that most people at Google don't want to work with this guy. That makes for a distraction, not to mention the obvious legal risk if the engineer ever interacts with a woman or minority at Google again.

You can have all the opinions you want, think women belong in the kitchen, hell, be a raging neo-Nazi, but please don't broadcast that shit at work. If you don't like that Google's promoting diversity, there are ways to make your voice heard like a normal adult. I would be livid if I got a link to a doc like this. Here we're busting our asses, and this guy has the gall, time, and energy to write a lengthy essay version of /r/theredpill and put it on a company server.

> There's a penalty in society and your career for being an asshole.

Partially true, Gawker staff thrived on being assholes until they got the Hogan Leg Drop. Are you implying that Damore was an asshole, though? How so?

> That makes for a distraction, not to mention the obvious legal risk if the engineer ever interacts with a woman or minority at Google again.

What about the legal risk of institutionalized discriminatory hiring and career advancement practices?

> You can have all the opinions you want

Thanks.

> think women belong in the kitchen, hell, be a raging neo-Nazi, but please don't broadcast that shit at work.

Oh, did he broadcast any of those kinds of ideas or political leanings?

> If you don't like that Google's promoting diversity, there are ways to make your voice heard like a normal adult.

Like, for example, attempting to discuss a topic?

> I would be livid if I got a link to a doc like this.

http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-div...

> Here we're busting our asses, and this guy has the gall, time, and energy to write a lengthy essay version of /r/theredpill and put it on a company server.

Have you even browsed that subreddit? Damore's views are nowhere even near in the same side of the political spectrum

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

is a better link, because it preserves the links to references, the formatting, and the graphic clarifying distributions vs. averages.

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