The people were much more physical in their writing styles. Take "Apple of my eye." That was an ancient terms. It means that when you look closely at an apple you see your own eyes' reflections. It meant that they keep their eyes close to you.
The people were much more physical in their writing styles. Take "Apple of my eye." That was an ancient terms. It means that when you look closely at an apple you see your own eyes' reflections. It meant that they keep their eyes close to you.
From the wiki entry[0]: "Its meaning does indeed derive from an expression signifying the pupil of the eye, one of the most sensitive parts of the body. For example, one can tolerate an eyelash on the white of his eye, but let it barely touch the pupil, and everything else is of secondary importance."
It's kind of funny though, I always assumed it was like saying, "out of all the apples around me, you're the one that I notice, the one apple I see with my eye". And all of these definitions kind of hint at the same point. Definitely a misunderstood quote.
Blue is not a color that used to appear often on daily objects, and naming the sky's color is quite a useless act.
(UK definitely has taupe these days, "aqua" sounds like the kind of name a paint-salesperson we use!)
The sky's colour varies greatly. Blue, blue-white, white, light grey, dark grey, yellow, red, purple, black-with-whitish-pinpoints. Probably more, but those are just the ones off the top of my head.
I can't tell you how much this consumed my mind after hearing this story on Radio Lab. Thanks for continuing the dialog. I find this stuff super fascinating.
Homer is from the very beginning of what is commonly considered "Ancient Greece." Writing was being reintroduced into Greek society and he wrote down the oral tales that had been kicking around. This is what the sculptures around then looked like
https://web.archive.org/web/20050227170147/http://www.siu.ed...
Statues like the ones in article were 4-5 centuries away, after solid trade lines with Asia were reestablished providing indigo dye.
I find many scholars to be academically lazy when it comes to things outside their area of expertise and don't do simple research. For example last weeks story of DNA of Canaanites from the time of Exodus is still in Lebanon. Many ran the idea that the scripture account was proven wrong when in fact if they did a 2 minute search of the word Canaanites and see they were never wiped out or destroyed.
Judges 3:5-6 The Israelites lived among the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 5So the people of Israel lived among the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 5The sons of Israel lived among the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; 5And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: 5But they settled among the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. 6They took their daughters in marriage and gave their own daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
So I find the arguements against Homer being blind very weak in regards to what we think humans are capable of doing. One visiting Professor of much clout was talking about the impossibility of the human mind to memorize and compose without writing something as large as Homer's works. Well doing a 60 minute research on memorization and oral tradition we can see how people memorized huge quantities of materials. Also it is clear that the fall of Troy was in the 12th Century BCE and Illad was written around 8th Century BCE due to memorization clues and the use of the 8th Century Greek alphabet and hints to a oral history. http://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_homer_iliad.html
I could go on for hours :( But the use of Homer and his writings makes it difficult to see how human catalog of color missed out blue.
Heck we never had orange till reciently before it was red-yellow. This is why red heads are not called orange heads.
> The earliest recorded use of the word in English is from the 13th century and referred to the fruit. The earliest attested use of the word in reference to the color is from the 16th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(word) (to lazy myself (hypocrite) to get further references)
God ordered all Canaanites exterminated in Deuteronomy and Joshua tells the story of that extermination. Their reappearance in the following book proves scripture wrong without any help from scientists.
>But the use of Homer and his writings makes it difficult to see how human catalog of color missed out blue.
The human catalog didn't, the Greeks of Homer's time probably did. If you put the Iliad as being written in the 8th century, indigo dye wasn't being produced in India yet, and Egyptian Blue would have been incredibly scarce given the state of Egypt at the time.
1. Joshua tells the story of that extermination.
WHERE does it say they we exterminated? As someone that has read a ton I have no idea where this idea started from. Probably some modern non-academic "bible expert."
Joshua 16:10 They did not dislodge the Canaanites living in Gezer; to this day the Canaanites live among the people of Ephraim but are required to do forced labor.
Sample of Lazy Academics or Research. Theology is a serious discipline and is pretty addicting. I know many PhD and Professors who were never Christians or Jews and just love this stuff because of the discipline.
Also if you don't read much ancient writings and especially biographies and histories you can easily get caught in a trap. Taking a modern world mindset to those reads renders them void and mute. Just like the colors many other things are very different to the mindset of Ancient Near East and Greece then today.
I can tell you I am absolutely shocked and disappointed in most modern Christian leaders and non-academic "Biblical Scholars." I just figure they don't actually read or study anything. They just listen to opinions with no academic or logical mindset and just run with emotional ideas. This is why their is Hermeneutics (academic discipline of interpenetration of literature) that many preachers rail against. This is part of why we have the crazy lack of morals and principles in the modern Christians here in America. So I don't blame you for just figuring Joshua exterminated Canaanites.
Deuteronomy commands the Israelites to 7:2-3
>and when the LORD thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son
And 20:16-17
>Howbeit of the cities of these peoples, that the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth but thou shalt utterly destroy them: the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee;
The following book is Joshua which focuses on how Joshua's conquest were a result of his following the commandments so well. Any discrepancy found is because all of this is like the Iliad, fiction loosely based on real events.
Yes, I have read this. It's part of what ended the belief in Christianity I had. Yes, I realize this is how war was carried out basically forever. That is why I reject any set of morales or principles that ever view them as tolerable.
Joshua 16:10 They did not dislodge the Canaanites living in Gezer; to this day the Canaanites live among the people of Ephraim but are required to do forced labor.
Yes Israel came and kicked out many people groups to settle in Israel but they never exterminated. The Old Testament is full of stories of neighbors being a pain to Israel.
> And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Ai in 8:24
>And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword
And the Gezer you keep clinging to in 10:33
>Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining.
I have no idea why it later says they didn't slay them. There is still enough description of putting everyone to the sword to call it extermination.
BUT still today there is DNA evidence that they were alive just as written in JOSHUA and in JUDGES. Also they did not kill everyone and took wives like Rahab who was in David's genealogy? This was an easy 5 minute search to answer "Did the Hebrew scriptures say they were exterminated?" "Were Cananites mentioned further on in the scriptures?" "Are they till alive after the conquering of the lands?"
Okay I usually enjoy this but I guess there is personal issues involved that doesn't allow you to even allow you to be skeptical and find a logical answer and just are a cynic? Sorry to have bothered you if you even reading this.
A) I pointed out that the DNA of Canaanites still in existence, as per new article this year is consistent with the Hebrew scriptures.
B) People stated this disproved the Hebrew scriptures since they are said to be exterminated which is counter to my stance and evidence in Joshua and Judges.
C) Your statement Joshua was the story of Canaanites extermination, but MY evidence was that Canaanites are still alive in Joshua as of its writing and also in Judges. This would mean that it is no surprise that there is DNA evidence to this day.
D) You define Exterminate to mean destroying MOST of the cities and most of the Canaanites. This would still account for why we have DNA evidence of Canaanites.
E) Your conclusion is that the history record of the Hebrew scriptures is wrong because there is DNA evidence of them today and they were Exterminated but your definition stats that they were not completely wiped out but mostly killed, which is consistent to warfare in that time period and era?
E) We have a logical error and sorry to say this but I don't believe it is on my end. There is something once again not allowing you to even be open to the possibility that in this DNA evidence doesn't disprove Hebrew scriptures.
Hope you have a good day, sorry to bring up something hurtful possibly?
On the other matter, the Bible states that extermination is the goal, and describes the campaign to do so in detail. That it later says there may have been pockets they missed doesn't mean Bible scholars are making the entire thing up.
Colours like "taupe", "beige", don't have distinct names in Finnish. The colours obviously exist, but they're called different things.
(I'm gonna ignore the whole craziness associated with giving tins of wall-paint strange names.)
[1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=taupe
> I really always struggle with this idea that they didn't see blue.
This isn't unique to Classical Greek. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction...And I doubt it's a coincidence that blue, green, and yellow are adjacent on the spectrum.