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awkwarddaturtle

> except perhaps the mass-media "comedy" industry making offensive Russian accents while insinuating things.

Really? You haven't seen any offensive chinese/asian "accents"?

> I doubt most people could identify Farsi readily enough to understand the propaganda

We generally mock them as sounding arabic with harsh guttural sounds. The exaggerated "phlegm" in the throat sounds.

> I don't think all that many people could tell you if they're looking at Chinese, Japanese, or Korean text;

Does it matter?

> Two of these languages' countries are basically universally beloved in the U.S

Which two are universally beloved in the US? Certainly not japan and korea...

> so it'd be hard to make visual (or even audible) propaganda out of it.

You can... But we just assign the propaganda towards "north korea" because we want to sell movies in china/japan/korea.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-...

There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US. Just because you know a few cosplay fanatics doesn't mean the US "loves" these asian countries. The truth of the matter is that we view them as competitors at best and enemies at worst.

> The truth of the matter is that we view them as competitors at best and enemies at worst.

What's wrong with being competitors? Japan gained the most public respect in the U.S. when it looked like they were kicking America's ass in manufacturing and high technology.

> There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US.

I was mainly saying that you don't tend to see the language used as a tool for propaganda. I'm not saying that some people don't feel animosity toward china, north Korea, Iran (I actually don't see anyone complaining about Afghanistan these days), and Russia; I'm just saying that their languages aren't being used in propaganda like German was used in anti-Nazi propaganda.

> Which two are universally beloved in the US? Certainly not japan and korea...

The only people I hear complain about (South) Korea are Japanese people, and the only people I hear complain about the Japanese are Chinese and Korean people. Maybe I live in a bubble, but I would think I'd run into somebody with one of these prejudices over the years, if it were a big thing.

> What's wrong with being competitors?

Nothing. My point is that they are competitors AT BEST. Unlike say our fellow anglo nations like canada/britain/new zealand/etc who are our "family/friends" at best.

My point is that china will never be our "friend/family".

> Japan gained the most public respect in the U.S. when it looked like they were kicking America's ass in manufacturing and high technology.

They did? Asians were mistaken for being japanese and killed. Doesn't seem like "respect". I know plenty of people who still hate the japanese to this day and blamed them for the decline of american industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Vincent_Chin

Sure, the chinese have overtaken the japanese now, but the "respect" is highly superficial.

> I was mainly saying that you don't tend to see the language used as a tool for propaganda.

Really? You don't see people mocking chinese for sounding "silly"?

> I'm just saying that their languages aren't being used in propaganda like German was used in anti-Nazi propaganda.

That's because there are other differences to attack the chinese. Germans are fellow white northerner europeans. We can't attack them for being "white like us". We have to find something different about them to attack. With the chinese, there are plenty of differences to attack.

> The only people I hear complain about (South) Korea are Japanese people

Really? I know military personnel stationed in south korea. I have friends who visited south korea on business. Many of them had bad things to say about them.

> Maybe I live in a bubble, but I would think I'd run into somebody with one of these prejudices over the years, if it were a big thing.

Maybe you do. I'm from NYC. Where did you grow up? I'm not saying EVERYONE hates them. I'm saying there are plenty of anti-chinese, anti-japanese and anti-korean sentiment in the US ( including highly liberal areas like NY metro ).

Why do you think Trump got elected bashing china, japan and korea?

> There most definitely is an anti-russian, anti-china/asia, anti-iran/middle east/muslim, etc "sentiment" in the US.

Can you provide some examples? Especially for anti-China/Asia sentiments.

I thought I did.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16/entertainment/la-et-...

Or you could check the daily south china sea propaganda. The mass propaganda concerning Liu Xiaobo's death. The anti-chinese pro-tibet propaganda.

"China's Threat to the U.S. - The Atlantic"

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/chinas-...

"China next US threat? Beijing beefs up military to protect trade"

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/15/china-next-us-threat...

Our anti-chinese pivot to asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_t...

And of course there is a negative anti-chinese/chinese american stereotypes/racism/cultural dislike/etc in the US.

China has consistently been viewed as one of our greatest enemy.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189503/four-nations-top-greatest-...

Mind you, this poll is only about who are TOP enemy is. If we did a poll on whether we viewed china as an enemy, a significant majority would list china as an enemy.

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