Source?
Because all of this seems to show otherwise:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23306319
http://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/2/518.full
http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/can...
> Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance
Just because we have evolved eating meat, doesn't necessarily mean it is the most optimal. Appeal to Nature.
> The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products
What "products" is PETA selling??? I have a lot of qualms with PETA, but I have never seen them vindicated in this way...
> Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself
You seem to be really invested in the diet. Maybe you have some bias?
I also have read plenty of studies that contradict the ones above. I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong. But I find medical statistical studies very hard to interpret because they don't control for all the factors and the data is not super reliable. Often the conclusions seem excessive given the data that is actually there.
For sure, but I doubt most people doing Keto are eating very little to no meat.
> I find medical statistical studies very hard to interpret because they don't control for all the factors and the data is not super reliable
Ok so you are suggesting we throw out all studies because they may or may not control for all the variables? That seems like a zero sum proposition that is a bit overkill. Of course there are some studies that are less rigorously controlled than others, but to conclude that no studies can be trusted because "medical statistical studies very hard to interpret" and "the data is not super reliable" just seems like an excuse to ignore what is very compelling evidence.
Also please read China Study critiques. They are good at dismantling "red meat is bad" point of view.
2. Nobody is referencing the China Study here. It is also 12 years old. Not sure what critiques you are referring to (as you didn't reference any), but I highly doubt they would discredit the information I referenced just because they have to do with "dismantling" the "red meat is bad point of view."
Here is yet another huge meta analysis of the correlation between red meat and Type 2 Diabetes published just 2 years ago:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yoona_Kim5/publication/...
Even organic meat and animal products don't come without health risks and it comes at substantial cost to our environment.
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2... http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/...
Granted that's a relative judgement. Too much meat, even organic meat, can be unhealthy depending on a number of factors.
Websites advocating for a Ketogenic diet feel just as biased and most of the time don't have half the research backing it.
Anecdotally, keto diet did absolutely nothing for me except make me feel even worse, whereas I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in mood and health after three weeks of a purely plant based diet.
Usually when people feel like crap (initially) on keto it's their bodies switching over from primarily burning sugar to primarily burning fat, but it subsides after a few hours/days depending on the person/diet (look up "keto flu").
Note that keto does not necessarily include meat. You'd get the same effect eating nothing but raw vegetables for a week.
In contrast I’ve been purely plant based for three weeks now and I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in my mood and energy levels. I’ve lost a bit of weight and I really enjoy what I’m eating. The numbness and swelling I’ve struggled with for over a year as a result of surgery for a broken leg has also massively improved, which I didn’t expect.
https://lifeforbusypeople.com/2016/08/24/why-anti-fat-is-com...
Industrial meat is not exactly good, though, it has all kinds of issues but the fat and cholesterol aren't a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmKv1m2SVio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBtfzd43t8o
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14831224
Edit: Looking at the last link of your first video, it acknowledges low carb diets are beneficial short and medium term, but there's very little literature for long term. It concludes low carbs are bad long term... but you must see the table on page 13 to see how they reached that conclusion. The "low carb score" group still had a crazily high 37-42% of carbs (compared to LCHF diets which are usually 5% carbs), it had more smokers and all of them had trans fats (very dangerous but can be easily avoided altogether).
My personal theory is a lot of prescribed keto diets have lax regulations on meat, so everyone who goes for them immediately maxes out the tastiest item available. The meat, assuming it's high quality/minimally processed isn't a problem directly, but eating more meat means you're eating fewer vegetables/fruit/nuts to balance things out.
I'd still say meat is more than a luxury in moderate doses. Zinc/B-Vitamins/Omega-3s and a lot of other good stuff is very hard to find naturally in non-meat form, and given the lack of regulation in the supplement industry I'd rather get such things through food.
I don't think that makes him a bad person or the website valueless but it is hard to argue it does not have a strong ethical vegan bias.
At the moment I would claim that overconsumption of highly processed, mostly plant based foods is the real nutritional disaster. Meat consumption is falling in many places but obesity and related diseases are still getting worse.
If you don't have ethical concerns I think low to moderate consumption of animal protein as part of a balance diet is still probably sensible. You probably want to avoid processed meats and charring. But we are all going to die from something and statistically it probably isn't going to be from eating an occasional steak.
I can use that same logic to say that sugar and carbohydrate consumption has gone down while obesity has continued rising:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0OuoFyJtZuI/VkofY-qgeOI/AAAAAAAAbb...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fUv755XU-3g/Vkof8Eln2WI/AAAAAAAAbb...
The main problem is still OVERCONSUMPTION of highly processed and hormone filled foods
As for growing obesity, there is a lot of evidence that points to toxins in our food as an important factor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieQBdS9cN0I
Most of these toxins are concentrated in animal products.
People are also eating a lot more cheese which contributes to obesity:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/now-is-th...
Of course refined carbohydrates and sugars are also a big problem and they should be scrupulously avoided.
There is a group of Type 2 diabetics in remission who are doing just fine on meat-based and keto-based diets, with no medication. If meat was a causal contributing factor to diabetes, I wouldn't expect to see that. We do eat a lot of leafy greens, it isn't like all-meat-all-the-time. But fresh meat, simply prepared, eaten to the protein macros appropriate for your body, does nothing to exacerbate these already-diagnosed Type 2 patients from going back into Type 2.
A contributing factor to diabetes is surplus calories creating excess body fat. You can do that with meat, vegetables, fruit, and breads. Harder to do with vegetables if you eat the veggies raw; if you eat only leafy greens for vegetables, I'd say it is nearly impossible.
There are vegan/vegetarian Type 2 patients, but I have yet to run across one in remission on no medication, for two years or longer, so they might be rare. It is much harder to get your proteins while carb restricted to manage blood sugar levels, eating only vegetables; I'm sure there are vegetarian Type 2's in remission out there, likely using soy-based products and protein powder to get their protein, it's just not as popular a method of going into remission.
Personally, I switched to preparing meals using as unprocessed as possible foods. If I could eat raw beef (like a tartare), I would; I don't because it is too time-consuming to prepare. This rules out tofu and other soy-based products, and protein powders as well, for me personally. I can manage to build muscle and keep my blood sugar markers in a normal non-diabetic range as long as I keep my daily net carbohydrate intake to 20g or less. If you are familiar with vegetarian diets and can suggest a way for me to switch to a vegetarian approach that observes that, supports about 2500 calories per day, and is made from unprocessed ingredients, then please let me know, thanks.
But the links between diabetes and animal products are pretty well established:
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-is-meat-a-risk-factor-f...
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/diabetes-as-a-disease-of-fa...
You might want to have a look at this book too:
https://www.amazon.com/Neal-Barnards-Program-Reversing-Diabe...
How was the link determined? I'd like to see the number of studies that studied people with low carb diets. Carbs is in pretty much everything nowadays, and it's really difficult to find people that consumes <5% that are not doing some low carb diet on purpose.
Or people that eat only once a day.
Very related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14831224
But how are their arteries looking?
> but I have yet to run across [a vegetarian/vegan] in remission on no medication, for two years or longer, so they might be rare
How many have you run into? How strictly were they following a whole-food plant-based diet? What is your sample size?
Scientifically speaking, the movie "What The Health" summarizes the facts succinctly:
Low Fat, Plant-Based Diet is More than Twice as Powerful at Controlling and/or Reversing Diabetes, than the ADA Diet Recommending Meat and Dairy
See http://www.whatthehealthfilm.com/facts/ for a list of citations supporting that statement.
From Greger's book How Not to Die he writes in the Introduction to Part 2:
> From a nutrition standpoint, the reason I don’t like the terms vegetarian and vegan is that they are only defined by what you don’t eat. When I used to speak on college campuses, I would meet vegans who appeared to be living off french fries and beer. Vegan, technically, but not exactly health promoting. That’s why I prefer the term whole-food, plant-based nutrition. As far as I can discern, the best available balance of evidence suggests that the healthiest diet is one centered on unprocessed plant foods. On a day-today basis, the more whole plant foods and the fewer processed and animal products, the better.
And from the Preface of How Not to Die he writes:
> True, I have biases of my own to rein in. Although my original motivation was health, over the years, I’ve grown into quite the animal lover. Three cats and a dog run our household, and I’ve spent much of my professional life proudly serving the Humane Society of the United States as the charity’s public health director. So, like many people, I care about the welfare of the animals we eat, but first and foremost, I am a physician. My primary duty has always been to care for my patients, to accurately provide the best available balance of evidence.