um, venv is included by default in python 3, no need to install any package.
That said, I think debian users should lean heavily on the apt versions of any python modules. I will usually install as many modules with apt as possible and then use `python3 -m venv --system-site-packages` to have access to them. That way there are usually very few packages I need to compile/install myself. Seems like a pretty good balance.
pip is another beast: it's not included in the stdlib, but installed when you install Python with the ensurepip script. Debian just don't run the script.