Children of the Opioid Epidemic Are Flooding Foster Homes
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Here I have a list of the highest prescribing opioid doctors (sunday with beer project): https://www.opendoctor.io/opioid/highest
(let me know if you want the sql or whatever).
I don't know what happened in the interim, whether or how the DEA's policies changed, but if only we had draconian DEA policies aggressively stopping overprescription now.
As someone who used to naively believe in legalizing all drugs for recreational use, this addiction epidemic has opened my eyes to why that's a horrible idea.
The VA noticed a lot of people had untreated pain. They pushed a campaign to make pain the fifth vital sign. Every time someone went into a hospital they'd be asked about pain. Pain was seen as something that absolutely must be treated.
They also said that opioids are not addictive if prescribed for pain.
It turns out that both of these are mostly wrong. If someone is in pain they'll tell you, you don't need to ask. And if someone has chronic pain they can become addicted to opioids.
The VA withdrew that document. Here's a Google cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pUQ-mc...
We knew some time ago that it didn't help. Here's a report from 2006: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1924634/
I can't remember having ever been in 'real pain', maybe for that the addictive drugs should be considered under a monitored regime.
For lesser pain something lighter should be used.
Not sure what the policies are now, but around me, I can not go get any prescription for any back pain (have really needed it twice in the past 3 years). "Nope, go see your GP" (vs going to a walk-in clinic). The walk-ins around here all have signs on the front door saying "no prescriptions for oxycontin, etc"
Now... yes, I could try to "see my GP", which generally means waiting a few days. (and, I don't really have a GP anymore, because I can never get in to see him).
What's strange is that about... 6 years ago, going to one of the same clinics, my wife went with an eye problem. Specifically, she'd had a small piece of sand get in her eye, and it was really sort/irritated. Home flushing wasn't working, so we went to the clinic. As she was leaving, they asked if she felt she needed any pain medication. "Well, not really, but it's a bit sore, and I do have a headache". They gave her a script for 14 oxycontin on the spot. Same place last year would not even talk to me about pain medication ("go see your GP").
I've gotten opiate prescriptions I had no business having without asking. I get that some people need pain medication or will suffer, but there's a whole lot of suffering that opiate addiction causes and that is not really factored into the 'do no harm' calculation doctors are supposed to be doing.
It really is a great thing to see legitimate restrictions on these prescriptions, as that should cut down on new addicts at the very least.
I don't know if its the AMA to blame for that or not, but everyone in the system seems to think its an upstream problem.
If you go in with an obvious injury and they offer the painkillers without you asking, they probably feel a lot more confident that you are not drug-seeking.
Can I check: have you sought treatment for back pain, and not got it?
Have they offered physiotherapy or exercise?
(these might be relevant to your type of pain).
In both cases, talking to a local "urgent care" clinic, "go to your GP for a referral for physical therapy" was the standard line. "we don't treat back pain".
I get it, in some sense, like... yeah, I may be an addict, etc. But in both cases, I'd been to the clinic multiple times before for other things. I had a history with them. Actually, the last time I'd been there I said I had no primary care physician, and wanted to use them as primary (3 miles from house vs 11 miles to previous dr).
In both cases, the back pain episode lasted more than a week, was debilitating to the point of not being able to walk without massive pain or sleep normally for several days. And then, it wore off, and ... 'back to normal'. Historically, I'm learning, we have some back issues in the family, but I can't get much info from anyone on specifics yet.
Making drugs that people want illegal has never worked. Why should it work now?
Besides, the drugs being illegal increases the death rate from them, because users now have little idea of what they are taking, and overdose easily.
I personally wouldn't want to live in a world where I can't enjoy a glass of whiskey.
If you believe in personal responsibility then you're okay with taking some bad with the good.
Both are the result of negligence of their parents. It may not be pleasant to lump that together under personal responsibility but that's the root of the problem and addressing it is the real solution.
A mother that drinks alcohol while pregnant is at fault for the harm that comes to her child. It's not society's fault, it's hers and indirectly her spouse's fault for allowing that to happen.
> And how can you believe in personal responsibly when public health can change so drastically in response to policy changes?
The fundamental disagreement is that I believe people are capable of good on their own and should not be baby sat by a nanny state. I'm willing to accept some of the adverse consequences of people making their own choices in exchange for the freedom and quality of life it brings.
It's a tradeoff. "If men were angels no government would be necessary." Personal responsibility might be an ideal but it can't be an absolute. Trading lives for a "glass of whiskey" is morally bankrupt.
It sounds like you think that either you or others are incapable of such self control and thus nobody should be able to enjoy them. I put such lack of faith in humanity as itself being morally bankrupt.
You may be surprised to learn that opium and cocaine used to be sold widely at pharmacies over the counter. Curiously, there was not a widespread "epidemic" of addiction. Why is that?
Alcohol and nicotine are legal and ubiquitous, where are the epidemics of their addiction? Curiously, smoking has been declining despite it being widely available and very addictive.
Blaming the existence of a substance for addiction, and then harassing doctors and patients as a result, is nearing the height of absurdity.
What is the comparison meant to illustrate? That easy availability will increase use and that the effects of the drug are the more important matter?
But it probably could be, if there's a market for it. There are trained chemists making meth [0]. The sale of the precursors of fentanyl is controlled, but so are the precursors to meth. If fentanyl (or an analog) stays popular we'll have people making their own.
Edit: I'm not saying it would be as obtaining PSE, but if you're a member of a chem lab, the only thing between you and an order to Sigma is ~two signatures? There's too much money involved for it to not happen.
[0] http://news.sky.com/story/inside-the-cartels-cooking-crack-i... (I know, Sky News..)
Mind you, this was told to incoming (freshmen) students, presumably the professors would be able to make the precursors in such a way that the authorities wouldn't know.
The teacher joked that she used to teach in San Bernardino and there were a lot of chemicals that the department never had to buy because the police would turn it over after raiding meth labs.
If by family you mean CNS stimulant with an amino group, then yes, I guess? They are very different structurally and pharmacologically.
A synthesis of methamphetamine would not look very much at all like an alkaloid extraction, except, possibly, for the final workup and isolation of the salt.
Fentanyl isn't popular _at all_ among opioid addicts. The duration of effect is short relative to morphine-like molecules and it absolutely wrecks one's opioid tolerance. Fentanyl is popular among unscrupulous heroin dealers that try to pass off a cheap synthetic opioid as $200/gram diacetylmorphine.
Realistically the only way to stop this problem besides legalization is labs for testing pills and powders like they have in Spain and Netherlands, and mobile Suboxone clinics[1] which were proven here (Vancouver, Canada) to be the best solution for addict recovery as they can pick up the phone and have somebody quietly prescribe them Suboxone treatment without having to queue up at the methodone clinics everyday. Suboxone was described to me as satisfying the 'fiend' cravings while not making you high, so you can function sober and no longer need to chase daily money to satisfy a drug addiction and can actually plan things. It also ensures you won't use again since the antagonist ingredients makes it more difficult or impossible to use other opioids at the same time, making relapse less likely.
The safe injection sites here are a double edged sword. On one hand they are helpful for street addicts but on the other hand they are more likely to take risks, knowing there's a nurse there so aren't afraid of mystery powders like they used to be, according to anecdotes of people I've talked to who frequent them. The city handed out overdose kits to street users who demanded a peer to peer type safe injection network but the junkies stole the needles out of the kits to shoot up with basically rendering them useless and wasting the hundreds of thousands it cost to distribute them.
There's some data here about the Netherlands success in drug use reduction, they put a lot of funds into prevention instead of just treatment. http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/country-drug-report...
[1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/a-bc-c...
So unless you can figure out a way to stop the drug trafficking industry, fentanyl+heroin aren't going away. Perhaps we will see fentanyl produced less if China cracks down / increases regulations on their pharmaceutical industry.
Unfortunately the opioid epidemic is going to have to be stopped by moving away from the casual prescription of opioids, which is what creates opioid addiction in the first place. I think your open doctor project is really cool and is a good way to start: shame doctors who are essentially operating as pill mills for their "patients." My hope is that people so obviously abusing the system like the doctors at the top of your list end up losing their license to practice medicine, or behind bars.
Yes, we are in agreement then. I just don't think the epidemic (or the deaths) is as easy to stop as ransom1538 thinks, because the fentanyl problem by itself stems from trafficking instead of prescriptions. AndYou can't really stop the drug trafficking part of things very efficiently, see the DEA for proof.
Personally I believe that the deaths are secondary to the addiction anyway. Of course, it's very, very bad that people are dying due to adulterated heroin, but the most effective way to lower deaths is probably to prescribe less of those 12hr oxies.
A common story for opioid addicts starts with, “I was in a car accident, and they prescribed opioids to deal with the pain. Once the prescription ran out, I was in incredible pain, maybe even worse than before I started taking the pills. I started buying pills illegally. Once the pills got too expensive, I switched to heroin.”
I’ve seen far too many stories that follow that basic path. It’s definitely not the only way people get addicted, but it’s too common.
> "an estimated 25.3 million adults (11.2 percent) experience chronic pain—that is, they had pain every day for the preceding 3 months. Nearly 40 million adults (17.6 percent) experience severe levels of pain."
Have a look at this document with data from 2009. Compare usage rates in Americans for opiates with opioids with prescription opioids:
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/WDR2011/Sta...
Annual Prevalence of use as a percentage of the population aged 15-64 for the year 2009
Opioids 5.90%
Opiates 0.57%
Prescription Opioids 5.60%
Those drugs are being prescribed by doctors. The cause is not illicit drugs from outside the US. The cause is the terrible healthcare for pain. Illicit fentanyl coming in from outside the US now is just a symptom - stopping that fentanyl will prevent death (because it's a very dangerous opioid) but it won't do anything about the real problem: people in pain with inadequate treatment for that pain.Careful, you're sounding awfully reasonable!
Harassing doctors and patients is beyond stupid, I suspect it will result in even more people turning to illegal drugs to self-medicate once their personal doctor gets some external political/media pressure to stop prescribing anything effective.
My state recently went into crisis mode for foster care, where they struggled placing kids and filled up the group facility they normal use for short term overflow. They're starting a program specializing in short-term placements.
Opioids have been blamed for the recent increases.
http://fox13now.com/2017/05/12/resources-stretched-thin-as-m...
And this is in a state (Utah) with an already relatively low rate of children in state custody. Surely if we are struggling, other states must be as well.
I don't know what politics to sorry or what macro policy changes will "fix" this, but I know how I can help. Circumstances vary, but if yours permit you to do foster care, I recommend looking seriously at it.
Also, if you have biological kids of your own, how did they deal with foster kids? I have a daughter and would like to have another bio child as well.
I’d say what worked best for me was doing the very hard and frustrating process of building trust between me and her birth mom & family. It was at times maddening but so worth it for her. Especially since the system itself is broken.
My son was actually a plus - she was able to bond with him first and I believe that enabled her to then trust and bond with us.
Now she’s 12 and is amazing. I feel like the luckiest mom in the world to be able to spend my life with her.
We don't do foster-to-adopt. We do the other kinds: for situations where the goal is still reunification, or adoption by a family member.
Biologically, we have a two-year-old daughter , three-year-old son, and a son on the way. We have the right to know the history of placements and say yes/no to each one. Our foster care rep knows that we can't (won't) take aggressive children or children over 12, because we gave young kids. We also only do Level 1 care. (There are three levels in our state for rating behavioral and handicapped difficulty. Levels 2 and 3 require extra training.) We do, however, take sibling groups.
Our bio kids LOVE having foster kids. They now think that any friends they make should live at our house, because their other ones do.
I don't have any foster horror stories though I've heard plenty of course. We've been lucky enough to have remarkably well-adjusted kids. I think poor circumstances often demands increased maturity. IMO, the hardest people to deal with are the parents, not the kids.
Getting licensed involved 30 hours of in person training over a few months, a few hours online training, a house inspection (fire extinguisher, escape latter, handrails on stairs), and an interview with very personal questions (e.g. if you're married, "Have you ever considered divorce?").
The hardest parts of parenting are also the hardest parts of foster parenting. So I would expect a biological parent to have a pretty solid idea of what foster parenting would be like.
Attitude is an issue. The girls grew up in a refugee camp where they didn't have much, but nobody had to do anything. Now they've been dumped into an complex alien society where they have to become self-supporting. It doesn't help that the girls think their role is to find a man and be supported by him. The girls have strong ideas about the role of women, and despite being fostered by lesbians who do home remodeling and industrial design, they have zero interest in learning those skills.
The people who supervise the foster child program think they're doing a great job. The kids have sort of learned to read, and one of them got a job at an ice cream store. They got high school diplomas, only because California stopped requiring the high school exit exam at the beginning of 2016. This is better than average for the program.
Both girls can use a smartphone for entertainment purposes.
I wonder how much of this has to do with Oakland, which has a reputation for having troubled communities.
> They've had them since age 14
Foster care or otherwise, changing someone's habits and worldview starting at fourteen is tough. Kudos for them for trying.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stat...
Had lost her driver's license years ago. So after she checked herself out (admittedly, upon my investigating, for some legitimate reasons vis a vis that program), I spent the next couple of months driving her to meetings, providing childcare to make that possible, helping her get to the job her sister found her, then the second job. Making sure she wasn't alone in the evenings, when she would drink...
My major point. 6 days at one of the area's premier hospitals. Thanks to the ACA expansion of Medicaid. The rehab program would have gone under that, as well. Foodstamps for her and her kids. A social worker and case management for her daughter (living with grandma). Etc. Etc.
I had some warning signs, early on, but I hung in there -- advice from experienced friends and experts advising patience. And thinking not just of her, but of the kids; things seemed to gradually get better with them once I got involved.
Anyway... Not just my support. All this public support. That I don't begrudge: Treat the problem. Take care of the kids.
Come fall, she's back together with her ex-boyfriend, who was a big Cruz supporter. ("The Constitution! La la la, blah blah blah...")
And she -- previously having stated her indifference to politics, except for hating Hillary for whatever gut felt reason -- starts expressing herself as a big Trump supporter.
I'd explained to her, early on, that the ACA is what enabled me to keep insurance. I don't get a tax break. It just gives me the opportunity to participate, whereas before insurance companies would look for any pimple as the basis to exclude me.
She gained sobriety through the support of the State, and someone who depends on the ACA for his own well-being.
None of that seems to matter to her.
This experience has caused me to fundamentally rethink my ideas about how the world works and how we can (or can't) tackle these problems.
Writing about all this makes me feel kind of small. Laying the situation out there and sounding aggrieved.
But I do it, all the same, for the point it impressed upon me: I'm no longer sure some people can be reached, through any level of action and good will.
It's a pretty sobering -- and saddening -- perspective.
P.S. We've been out of touch for months -- her choice. As far as I know, she's still sober. Making plans a year out.
She's doing ok. But there seems to be no connection in her mind with providing that opportunity to others.
I've been forced to realize and acknowledge that some people appear to be in it purely for themselves. They can exhibit charm and engagement in furtherance of this purpose. But real empathy and cooperation?
And, looking around, it's not just the addicts and "miscreants". There's a significant portion of the population who really does believe and follow "I got mine". And that is all they really respect in others.
It is, it turns out, a dog eat dog world. At least when it comes to dealing with these people. Who, en masse, present a formidable problem to a functioning society.
Sure, there are those really disappointing frustrations, but I try to just chalk them up to cost of doing business. That way you can focus on the fact that the average is getting better and your efforts are making a difference, even if slowly.
The end result to all of this hysteria will be nothing but more political interference in doctor-patient relationships, more annoying obstacles and hoops for patients to jump through, and more suffering for patients.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/28/15881246/d...
> America has about 4 percent of the world’s population — but about 27 percent of the world’s drug overdose deaths
The US uses far more opioids than any other country. Does the US have far more pain than any other country?
> and more suffering for patients.
No.
You seem to think that opioids are an effective treatment for long term pain. They usually are not. The patient either stops taking them because of side effects, and is still in pain. Or the patient develops a tolerance, and needs to take more and more, and is now addicted to opioids and taking dangerously large amounts of opioids and, importantly, is still in pain.
People with long term pain need rapid access to a specialist pain management clinic. Opioids might be a choice of treatment, but they will be carefully prescribed, not dished out.
Because it can be. In many cases of severe persistent pain, they are the only effective treatment. There are many situations where literally nothing else works save for anesthetic infusions.
> and is now addicted to opioids
Those patients and doctors are making the determination that addiction is better than the alternative. Why is anyones business if that is what they decide? Frankly being addicted to a prescription painkiller is not any different from addiction to ADHD medication, a benzodiazepine (which are far worse in terms of addiction, withdrawal, and consequence), or an anti-depressant.
> People with long term pain need rapid access to a specialist pain management clinic.
Sure. But do you expect a patient to come back every 6 hours for another lidocaine injection? What do you think they do in pain management clinics? If you think the side effects of an opiate are bad wait until you see people on heavy gabapentin or benzodiazepenes as 'alternatives', who, btw are getting practically no relief from their pain at all but are heavily medicated.
I can believe some random person on the internet, or I can believe the Royal College of Anaesthetists.
https://www.rcoa.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-awar...
> Given the limited duration of clinical trials, data on efficacy of long term opioid use are available only from case series and open-label extensions of controlled trials. These latter have been systematically reviewed. Open-label extension data suggest that a small proportion of patients may derive continuing benefit from opioids in the long term but the relevance to clinical practice is uncertain as patients with co-morbidities that may predispose to problematic opioid use are generally excluded from clinical trials and evaluation of long term use does not, in these studies, identify potential benefits from placebo effect, benefits of additional therapies or spontaneous resolution of symptoms.
> Analysis of open label data does not enable firm conclusions regarding improvement in function or quality of life with long term opioid treatment. Data from prospective cohort studies suggest that opioids retard return to work after injury and may prolong functional recovery or worsen physical functioning. A Danish cross-sectional study has suggested that when comparing opioid users with non-opioid users, opioid use appears to be associated with poorer self-related quality of life and employment status, increased healthcare use, and worse pain. These studies do not demonstrate causality in relation to opioids and poor function in a number of domains but indicate that the hoped for end points of pain reduction and improvement in function are not being met with long term opioid treatment.
Particularly:
> Important Practice Points
> Patients who do not achieve useful pain relief from opioids within 2-4 weeks are unlikely to gain benefit in the long term.
> Patients who may benefit from opioids in the long term will demonstrate a favourable response within 2-4 weeks.
> Short-term efficacy does not guarantee long-term efficacy.
> Data regarding improvement in quality of life with long-term opioid use are inconclusive.
> There is no good evidence of dose-response with opioids, beyond doses used in clinical trials, usually up to 120mg/day morphine equivalent. There is no evidence for efficacy of high dose opioids in long-term pain.
That "no evidence" bit should worry you. Why doesn't it?
> Those patients and doctors are making the determination that addiction is better than the alternative
Because, as the RCA keep saying: opioids are not treating the pain, and are causing harm to the patient. Patients keep taking the meds not because those meds work, but because they are addicted to those meds.
You make it sound like I only just googled these. Even if that's true (and it's not, and that's trivially easy to check) so what? I'm posting government level advice backed by meta analysis.
Your the one posting your opinion. Frankly, I don't care about your personal experience. Look at eg knee arthroscopy for an example of how useless personal experience of both patients and doctors in health care.
Would also move out with a savings, a marketable skill, and references at 18.
Not a bad start for a Dev.
I'm not arguing against the merits of cannabis, mind you. I'm just saying that it's lazy and ridiculous to argue, "We don't have strung-out hillbillies on the Pacific coast. Must be due to the presence of marijuana! (rather than the absence of hillbillies)".
If mere availability of something addictive was the problem, then we'd have a nation of nothing but alcoholics and cigarette smokers considering you can buy either in an unlimited quantity at any corner store.
Which says eg
> A Cochrane review of opioid prescribing for chronic pain found that less than one percent of those who were well-screened for drug problems developed new addictions during pain care; a less rigorous, but more recent review put the rate of addiction among people taking opioids for chronic pain at 8-12 percent.
Let's have a look at what that Cochrane review says:
http://www.cochrane.org/CD006605/SYMPT_opioids-long-term-tre...
> The findings of this systematic review suggest that proper management of a type of strong painkiller (opioids) in well-selected patients with no history of substance addiction or abuse can lead to long-term pain relief for some patients with a very small (though not zero) risk of developing addiction, abuse, or other serious side effects. However, the evidence supporting these conclusions is weak, and longer-term studies are needed to identify the patients who are most likely to benefit from treatment.
This tells us that the carefully selected patients were not getting pain relief or had too many side effects; (a third dropped out because of these) and we can't say too much about addiction because not all the studies reported it: "Signs of opioid addiction were reported in 0.27% of participants in the studies that reported that outcome"
It's hard to see that 0.27% (with who knows how many unreported cases of addiction) and that later 8-12% in the same paragraph.
> Moreover, a study of nearly 136,000 opioid overdose victims treated in the emergency room in 2010, which was published in JAMA Internal Medicine in 2014 found that just 13 percent had a chronic pain condition.
I mean, doesn't that tell you there's a massive problem with prescribing?
> recent research on roughly one million insurance claims for opioid prescriptions showed that just less than five percent of patients misused the drugs by getting prescriptions for them from multiple doctors.
THat para links to a document called "THE OPIOID CRISIS IN AMERICA'S WORKFORCE" http://www.castlighthealth.com/typ/the-opioid-crisis/
The first para of that report says:
> The use and abuse of prescription opioids continues to be a challenging and costly crisis for the U.S. The facts underscore the severity of this crisis:
> • Nearly 2 million Americans are abusing prescription opioids1
> • 16,000 people die every year from prescription opioid overdoses2
> • Sales of opioid prescriptions in the U.S. nearly quadrupled from 1999 to 20103
> • 259 million opioid prescriptions were written in 2012, enough for every American adult to have their own bottle of pills4
That Scientific American writer has misrepresented every source so far.
For fuck's sake, that last link specifically says:
> One out of every three (32%) opioid prescriptions is being abused.
I would esteem it a kindness of you to find a way of advancing your thesis that does more to support it than, by retreat into intellectually dishonest tactics, to make it look indefensible.
That's because oxycontin and opiates work for relieving pain.
> But in states that have embraced cannabis we don't see this level of crisis .
That's a baseless claim that couldn't be further from the truth. Take a walk around SF, LA, Seattle, Portland, etc, there are tons of strung out junkies laying around on the streets surrounded by needles.
The existence of painkillers are not the reason we have drug addicts.
They do not work for relieving long term pain.
https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware
> > 1. Opioids are very good analgesics for acute pain and for pain at the end of life but there is little evidence that they are helpful for long term pain
> > 2. A small proportion of people may obtain good pain relief with opioids in the long-term if the dose can be kept low and especially if their use is intermittent (however it is difficult to identify these people at the point of opioid initiation).
> The existence of painkillers are not the reason we have drug addicts.
This is just untrue. Please provide a valid source.
> This is just untrue.
Oh are you saying this from your own research or clinical experience? Do you work directly with persistent pain patients? Are you an anesthesiologist? Or are you just Doctor Google?
I'm confused, please can you point out where my citation disputes my claim?
Also, can you provide a citation?
I know people with debilitating pain that have been on pain melds for over a decade and while the medications do not make the pain disappear it makes it manageable. Some people are not candidates for surgery and have to manage with medications.
Bottom line though, individuals who have been using these drugs for so long whether for a legitimate reason or not suffer from memory issues, fatigue, irritability, impulse control, etc and those factors can certainly have an impact on children.