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Those are the three players with actual networks of deployed self driving cars today. Granted, we are in third with 73 cars (and 1000's on chffr), but well ahead of every other startup. Waymo has around 200, we expect to pass them by the end of the year.

In addition to this interface, we also give away source code to a driving agent: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot

Looks like this when running (video from a user): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VN1YcC83nA

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What about GM/Cruise's existing fleet of 50 with an additional 100+ on the way? [1] All equipped with LIDAR which to my knowledge you and Tesla don't have, but will need for level 5. I know Uber ATG also has a sizable fleet as well.

I have a lot of respect for your technical chops and the iPhone/PlayStation hacking you did back in the day, but the lofty claims here are hard to back up. At least Tesla has high margin electric car sales to keep them alive while they catch up to their claims.

It's easy to fool the lay public and tech journalists who don't have any technical backgrounds, but there is a world of a difference between doing fundamental AI research and development vs. patching together off the shelf commodity hardware and wiring it all up with some python.

That said, I wish you all the luck, I think a16z is betting on an acquisition like GM did with Cruise when they didn't really have anything that advanced either.

[1] https://electrek.co/2017/06/13/gm-self-driving-chevy-bolt-ev...

Man this is still a cute OBD2 bridge isn't it ?

Is your plan to release pieces of a self driving kit gradually and crowdsource through early adopter kind of customers(or collaborator in a way) ?

I'm sorry but the hardest parts are still missing and reading you're competing with actual companies with serious power (brain and money) it's more than curious to stay polite.

ps: also waymon fleet might be 200, but if they inherited Google past years of data they have tons of terrain and sensors data. I mean wat.

> Waymo has around 200, we expect to pass them by the end of the year.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Waymo is a serious engineering effort with a lot of talented people working to do it right. There's a lot more to it than just how much data you throw at your NN.[0] Not to mention other companies comply with the law and report all their accidents.[1] Last year, you canceled your product[2] rather than answer a very short and simple safety questionnaire[3]. (Seriously, I've seen SaaS security compliance questionnaires with five times as many questions on them; that letter from the NHTSA was nothing!)

If you're still driving your vehicles around the streets of the SF Bay Area without any permits you are putting a lot of people in danger, including me. Pardon me if I think you're not only full of it, but irresponsible as well.

[0] http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1838:_Machine_Lear...

[1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testi...

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13453344/comma-ai-self-d...

[3] https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special...

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