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I'm not optimistic. David S. Goyer is a hack. He likes to credit himself as the Dark Night screenwriter, but if you compare his previous body of work to Nolan's previous body of work, it's easy to see who was the talent behind the project. If you want to see what Goyer is truly like when he doesn't have a director to reel in his horrible dialogue, watch Blade: Trinity. It's the only one he both wrote and directed, and, fittingly, it's terrible.

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Chris and Jonathan Nolan have their fair share of writing gaffs, but its mostly on the dialogue front. Both are brilliant worldbuilders, but don't tell me that "For you" is Oscar-tier dialogue.

And before you ask, I am a hothead.

Someone get this hothead outta here

Where does "for you" occur? I can't seem to place it...

The Dark Knight Rises.

DELET TH- er, I think they hit more often than not. Person of Interest has a lot of duds, but I chalk that up to it being network TV.

His lifetime estimated global box office gross in a writing capacity is $4.8B[0]. I think "hack" may be how you see him, but the world sees otherwise. Also, he didn't credit himself as TDK's writer (screen for Begins, story for the others), the studio did. And if you think that's an easy feat, you're sorely mistaken. It's a hell of a lot easier to write an entire screenplay and not get credited than it is to not write on a project and get credited. That's why arbitration is such a big deal for professional screenwriters.

Further, Josh Friedman is a dyed in the wool sci-fi geek, hilarious guy, and great writer. I have a lot more faith than you that this might work.

Also, Goyer wrote Dark City, a sci-fi classic that tragically slipped under the radar.

Full disclosure: I work in the industry and know Josh and know a ton of people that have worked with David, but I've only met him in passing.

[0] http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?view=Writer&id=da...

> Also, Goyer wrote Dark City, a sci-fi classic that tragically slipped under the radar.

I'm also a huge fan of Dark City, and unfortunately, it bears all the hallmarks of Goyer's misfires in cringe-worthy dialogue. See: a cop tracing a bloody spiral pattern left on a dead woman's breast and proclaiming, "Round and round it goes. Where it stops...nobody knows!"

>His lifetime estimated global box office gross in a writing capacity is $4.8B[0]. I think "hack" may be how you see him, but the world sees otherwise.

Michael Bay's worldwide gross as a director is 6.1B[0]. I'm going to give this one to AdmiralAsshat.

[0] - http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?view=Director&id=...

That's fair, but being able to understand and direct the popular zeitgeist, be it by instinct or intellect, is a very formidable gift indeed. It's something almost none of us can do (certainly myself included), and those who can will always have detractors. I don't see success as a zero sum game, so I'm happy for people who are successful, even if I wish I had their insight.

Total aside, you should check this out when you have time, pretty interesting analysis: https://youtu.be/2THVvshvq0Q

And SyFy. There is very little that comes out of them that is even watchable.

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