Seattle's minimum wage may actually cost restaurant workers
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I think increased minimum wages are a good thing but it seems like an attempt to cure the symptoms rather than the cause.
It's a game of whack-a-mole, but if you want to get to living wage + benefits for everyone, that's kind of how you have to go about it, since businesses will always hunt for loopholes.
Having fewer employees work better hours (full time) is also a desired effect.
I don't think forcing companies to go out of business because they can't "provide wages" for employees makes sense. For one thing, that's not remotely the goal of the business. For another, nothing guarantees that these companies will go under, rather than (as most are doing) simply cutting back on some hours and some jobs.
You seem to suggest that the natural state of the world is a bunch of businesses paying a high wage, and that if we just get rid of all these businesses that are paying lower than that, we'd find jobs for everyone in higher-paying places. The truth is that some people simply can't provide more than $15 an hour in value to any business, for whatever reason, and no business will ever pay them more. These people will simply remain unemployed.
As you point out, this has a number of consequences, all of which are acceptable from the perspective of unions:
- Low wage unqualified jobs, beneath some lowest threshold of skill simply cannot exist. This level varies between markets, but e.g there are no shoe polishers or elevator attendants in Scandinavia.
- The natural rate of unemployment is higher than it otherwise would be. Basically instead of having 10% doing low paying jobs, you have 10% on generous unemployment benefits.
So essentially - and in accordance to all economic theory I know - having high wages and few unqualified jobs is certainly possible IF you
- spend lots of tax money on having an educated workforce
- have generous unemployment benefits
- Accept that society basically provides for anyone that doesn't provide value enough - either by training or just supporting them financially. Labor collectives prefer the state to pay these people instead of them driving wages down (because as you point out they don't provide that value)
Basically the scheme is possible if you tax the top N% of earners so much that you can let the bottom M% not have to work crap jobs.
Whether this is an appetizing solution depends on your political preferences of course, I'd say it's a pretty progressive version of social democracy, and it's found for example in the Nordic countries.
I wish this were the case everywhere. I've just signed my first job contract in Norway, and I gotta say I prefer it. Folks working here have a right to a job contract. Even if you are part-time or temporary/seasonal. Even if you work fast food. Even getting paid hourly.
It does take care of things like getting wages cut and having trouble getting unemployment for it. You have proof in your contract.
That said, the contracts really don't really make wages more fair, merely affects some of the reactions to a rising minimum wage. There really isn't anything about a contract that would stipulate a better wage offer. Instead, it forces folks to be a lot more upfront about the job, wages, and promises of pay hikes/time off. The employee can sign it or not, the same as they can accept or deny a job now.
I'm gonna guess you can do away with minimum wage laws, but only if you actually have a balancing force against employers, even in times of economic downturn. Laws do that, especially if updated and adjusted to make sense for the times, but I don't know of anything else that could do that. Theoretically folks can just change jobs, form a union, or get schooling/training, but this doesn't realistically work for many minimum-wage workers. A strong safety net might make those sorts of things more possible, though.
This is exactly the train of thought I think is incorrect: Businesses that can't pay workers a living wage should have to shut down. Workers (as a collective, and in the long run - not individuals in the short term obviously) are better off.
The idea is that businesses should compete on efficiency, not lower wages. When a business that can't pay a living wage closes, another can take its place that hopefully can.
> she combines this with her husband's income
This is another reason for having living wages: this persons low wage makes her economically dependent on another person. This might be a happy marriage but what about all marriages that aren't? Living wages means people can leave destructive and abusive relationships too.
This should emerge as a natural consequence of economic reality. If workers can't earn a living from a business, they are supposed to either resign or die (per definition). And the business would have to either increase its wages or shut down.
There should be no need to regulate that with laws.
In most parts of the US labor market there is no such power parity between employees and employers - and minimum wage laws are just trying to band aid the problem instead of addressing the root cause.
I doubt the US will see scandinavian levels of worker organization any time soon, but a reasonable fix would be to have a social safety network that is so strong that it competes with employment. A non time-limited unemployment insurance that paid a reasonable fraction of the minimum wage (e.g. 50-75%) would likely have a significant effect on the bargaining position of workers.
In this case, these shops are located in a sort-of marketplace, where there are dozens of shops selling very similar goods. They all effectively share the same customer base and they are all barely functioning, and are only doing that thanks to avoiding all sorts of laws. If they started paying minimum wage, some of them would close, which would increase profits for the rest, allowing them to stay in business. From the workers' perspective though, it would create a bimodal distribution where employees of surviving shops are better off, while the rest is fired. I'm not sure if that's a positive outcome.
If the US had an actual safety net, those laid off workers wouldn't be so bad off either.
In fact, I'd argue that even then we are better off. Say you have 20 low-paying jobs, the sort which means you are still eligible for food stamps and other tax-payer funded assistance. All 20 get laid off. 13 find full time work at the new minimum wage, so they no longer need assistence. Four find part-time work, making nearly what they did before with fewer hours. They still need assistance, but slightly less since they don't need as much child care. One makes less money. The other two are unemployed forever, requiring assistance. I'm gonna guess this is a win in the end.
Actually ending up with a positive outcome requires more reform than just minimum wage - which may actually be negative (on its own, and short term).
There has to be good unemployment benefits for all, you have to have good employment security so hours can't be cut and so on and so forth. The idea is to have such a strong labor collective that driving bad employers out of business is a sustainable strategy. Organization level needs to be pretty high, say at least 50% for unions to have any real power here.
>>This is exactly the train of thought I think is incorrect: Businesses that can't pay workers a living wage should have to shut down.
So are you saying that no business should ever start or get off the ground because they don't have all the funding they need to do so (including paying proper wages)? Many of these minimum wage jobs were not suppose to be a full-time career path. These jobs were intended for people getting their first job, people in retirement or those seeking just a little bit of extra cash.
Long answer: Yes, and it's an acceptable drawback because being allowed to underpay worker is an unacceptable competitive edge. If one wants exceptions it's better to do with directed efforts such as lower payroll taxes for small or new companies.
That said - where I live it's also not allowed to volunteer at e.g. a home for the elderly, because the union would feel you are taking their work.
So it's not all positive.
It's not a hobby or volunteer work if the end goal is to start a successful business. Some of us are (again) not lucky to be born with a silver spoon in their mouth or have some VC drop money in our laps to start something.
> ...where I live it's also not allowed to volunteer at e.g. a home for the elderly
I'm very glad that I don't live where you do since it seems like a place that is hostile towards humanitarian efforts and kindness.
>...because the union would feel you are taking their work.
So what if the unions feel that you are taking their work? After being a part of a union for several jobs, I am very much against them since they took a large portion of my pay for nothing in return.
I'm sure that there are many founders out there who worked long hours with little to no pay to start their companies since they lacked investors or bootstrapping funds. These minimum wage laws only drive up the cost of living, drive out jobs and make it even more difficult to start a business. My stance is that there should be no minimum wage and if the pay is too low, go find a job where the pay is not too low.
The problem with the US discourse on the subject is that it's a debate for/against higher minimum wages rather than a debate of "what regulations need to change so that the minimum wage without regulation is a livable wage".
Unemployment does exist and it is not lethal.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. You are not supposed to receive state support while being employed.
From a political standpoint. It's also a lot easier for people to support. You have to work to receive it and it's been popular in both Republican and Democratic administrations. I can't speak for the current one. I don't think Trump has any core set of beliefs.
Without EITC & food stamps and other assistance $2/hour wouldn't cover food & rent even working 2 jobs, so they'd be forced to turn those jobs and look elsewhere, most likely to crime.
EITC & food stamps to the employed are a subsidy for the employer and distort the true market price for labour. Perhaps less than a minimum wage does.
One possibility is that the businesses were already overpaying for labor by staffing more employees for more hours than were needed. But that just turns a minimum-wage hike into a convenient excuse to roll back hours/staff (much as economic downturns tend to be used as a cover for companies to lay off people they no longer needed anyway).
Another possibility is that more hours are being assigned to salaried employees since it doesn't cost extra to have them work more. But that would actually be a good thing -- it would increase the demand for salaried full-time employees, and being a salaried full-time employee is much better than being a minimum-wage hourly employee.
Another possibility is that businesses are just closing down more often rather than pay people to keep things operating. But that seems unlikely.
So what's actually happening?
http://irle.berkeley.edu/files/2017/Reich-letter-to-Robert-F...
Consuming less is the way to sustainability. Consuming less can be aided by earning less.
I'd rather have an organic steak than no steak.
These hypothesis always get flipped when talking about the rich. For them, more money creates an incentive for them to work more!
Yes it makes the poor lazy and the rich hard working...right.
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/06/26/seattle-minimum-wa...
so of course it may actually not have.