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No. Breathing is not "subjective". Shelter and food are not subjective values. Freedom is a necessity of living as a proper human being. It all relates to your standard of value. For humans, life under the guidance of reason, or range-of-the-moment emotionalism? for grass, growing with sun, water, and nutrients; or death in darkness, drought, or lack of CO2? etc.

As for reality being subjective -- do you look before crossing the road? when was the last time you jumped naked from the top of a skyscraper? would you enjoy a plate of plutonium for breakfast?

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Just because you believe you can not, does not mean you can not. "Reality" is processed in our head, everything is/can be subjective if you so choose. If you choose to believe something else then its your choice again.

So do you believe that you can do some of mkempe's examples? Do you believe it strongly enough to try to give us a demo?

If you really believe that you can, and you try, you're going to get a very painful demonstration that reality does not match your beliefs. And if you don't believe it enough to try, you're just shooting your mouth off.

You are way off topic, I never said I believed in random nonsense and that magic fairies exist. I said we interpret reality in our head and everything is subjective to our own reality.

> It all relates to your standard of value.

My point exactly. Subjective.

That wasn't mkempe's point at all. Either you missed it, or you're trying to put words in his/her mouth.

mkempe's point was that there are universal human values. There are universal values for plants, which are different from human values. The "relative" was relative to whether you are a human or a plant. For humans, mkempe was claiming that values are universal.

You can disagree with mkempe if you want. That's fine. But don't misrepresent his/her position.

I did miss his point. Best I could tell he didn't have one. So to me his comment had zero value. Do you think it should be down voted because it has no value to me even though it may have value to you?

But value is subjective so he had a point, but you choose not to accept its value. ;)

touche. lol

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