Ultraconserved words in use since the last Ice Age
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I remember, because I made two of my most researched comments there [1]. :)
I'm no historical linguist, but I'd take this finding with a bunch of grains of salt. Eurasiatic language families that seek to combine, say, Proto-Indo-European [2] and Altaic [3] languages are pretty controversial, and in general this paper reeks a bit of glottochronology [4], which is a pretty controversial topic in historical linguistics itself.
Wikipedia's Eurasiatic language page actually even has a large section about this very article, including some refutations[5].
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5670947
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottochronology
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasiatic_languages#Pagel_et_....
It's worth pointing out that everybody who actually studies the relevant Altaic languages now agrees that the Altaic family doesn't exist, not even in 'micro-Altaic' (just Mongolic/Tunguskic/Turkic languages) form. Basically, the consensus is that the similarity between those three languages arise from deep contact rather than genetic relationships (think what happened to Old English after the Norse and Norman invasions on its way to Middle English).
I would have guessed that, on the basis of utility, the conservation of words would fundamentally be a function of their meaning, and, for the most part, that function would be fairly constant across all human cultures, regardless of the specific languages used by those cultures (again on grounds of their utility.) From that perspective, would it be all that surprising if approximately the same set of meanings were conserved even in languages with no common history?
Not only is the word "dog" of unknown origin, its equivalents in Spanish and various Slavic languages also apparently appeared from nowhere.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=dog
If that's not fun enough, there's an extinct Aboriginal language from Australia which has a word for dog. That word is also "dog" - apparently pronounced the same as in English, and a complete coincidence:
I'd love to hear a linguistic explanation for this.
EDIT: Latin: "papilionem" (papilio?), so at least French and Catalan have conserved it, and I can see that Italian "farfalla" could be cognate.
EDIT EDIT: All the Slavic languages known to Google Translate have a word related to motyl, except for Russian: бабочка (butterfly) (but мотылек (moth)), so there is less to this phenomenon than meets the eye!
i.e in Turkey they call Turkey Indian, in Portugal they call it Peru, in Malay it's a Dutch Chicken.
Schmetterling may be semantically linked to butterfly via 'batter-fly' (beater-fly)
also:
motyl~moth sommerfugl~summer-fly
interesting that wiktionary for papillon shows a puppy :) might also be linked to big pupils and fake eyes
No, it's semantically linked via 'butter'. Schmetterling comes from Schmetten or Schmand which is a sort of heavy cream. There used to be a folk believe that butterflies would consume milk or butter if left uncovered. They were also sometimes called Milkdieb or milk-thief in German.
See: www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=butterfly
Adds a little too, looks like the idea of butterflies stealing butter may come from their voids looking like butter.
I'd also like to imagine a story being made about them stealing butter to encourage children to cover the butter.
Is "smetana" a false friend?
Butter + Schmetten/смета́на • (smetána) probably still come from beat:schmettern<>smith and or smeltan:smelt.
Where do Schmeissfliege (blowfly) and Schmalz(molten fat) sit? ;)
I think the papillon dog breed has big, butterfly-like ears!
Sure, "farfalla" is relatively recent, in old italian it is "parpaglia" or (still used in some dialects "parpaja" or "parpajon"), according to some sources:
http://www.etimoitaliano.it/2017/02/farfalla.html
There is seemingly an Indo-european root "s-par" or "s-pal" or "s-far" and the Greek "pallo" with the meaning of something that vibrates.
The root seems the same a "palpebra" (eyelid) which is paupière in French, párpado in Spanish and pálpebra in Portuguese.
Any reason why there's something special about butterflies that we don't agree on their name?
In Serbian and Croatian the word for butterfly is лептир/leptir.
Thou
I
Not
That
We
To give
Who
This
What
Man/male
Ye
Old
Mother
To hear
Hand
Fire
To Pull
Black
To flow
Bark
Ashes
To spit
Worm
http://www.pnas.org/content/110/21/8471/T1.expansion.html1) "Hear ye! I, [a] man who[se] hand gives this fire [to] bark. What black ashes! Not thou old mother, that pulls the worm and spits. We flow."
2) "We, man [and] old mother, hand-pull black bark. Worm that spits fire, not ashes, flows. This, what I give ye, thou who hear."
3) "Black, old, male mother pulls worm, not spits fire [or] ashes. I give thou who hear what flows [to] ye."
I find these explanations a bit baffling. That's a much more sophisticated and metaphorical name than you'd expect.
It would be a bit like calling cats "bird scratchers."
Also maybe "shadow" had a slightly different meaning back then or the translation is simply not 100% accurate (are they ever?).
Ssss-ka-wuh-rrr-llll
I think this is mostly because Germans are generally taught RP, where it is pronounced /ˈskwɪɹəl/ (skwe-rel). The American /ˈskwɝl̩/ (skwerl with a very faint r) is considerably easier to pronounce for German speakers.
Because neither the English /w/ nor the English /ɹ/ exist in German and because they're both pronounced in close proximity to each other, the combination tends to be confusing to pronounce (as with combinations of th and s/z).
Can you pronounce "squirt"? If yes, try pronouncing the "squir" portion of the word, dropping the "t". You should be pronouncing it like this reference, minus that hard "t" sound at the end [0].
Can you pronounce the rare English word "rill"? It's of Germanic origin so you should be able to. You should be pronouncing it like this reference [1]
If yes to both of the above questions, you can pronounce "squirrel".
Say "squir" from squirt, take a pause for a half second, then say "rill". Repeat the phrase faster and faster trying to shorten the pause between the two.
Alternatively, you can approximate the word "squirrel" from the English word "quarrel" by adding an "s" to the beginning. "s" + "quarrel". There will be a subtle mispronunciation with this method, but you should be able to pass in most conversation.
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CPhAx00d2Y
Square yes (スクエア, sukuea) Girl no (ガール, gaaru)
The ancient Greek version would have been much easier to express in Japanese: su-kyuu-ro-su.
One glaring exception is "conscientiousness" -- a personality trait that has been the nr. 1 performance predictor in jobs that require results (execution as opposed to ideas), across time and industries. Clearly central, but 17 characters! O_o
[0] Strauss, Grzybek, Altmann: Word Length and Word Frequency https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4020-4068-...
"Care" I think is the closest monosyllabic equivalent. Diligence and attention to detail are specifically exhorted by "take care", and caution by "use care". Conversely, one may disclaim them all with "I don't care".
It's a short word and probably an old one, so it's heavily freighted with denotations and connotations alike, and finds much use outside this context. But if you want to say "conscientiousness" in fewer than five syllables - which is a sensible thing to want - then I think "care" must be the most accurate word with which to do so.
Central here should be read as "important and used frequently everyday" (which conscientiousness is not at all), not central as in "the notion identified by the word is important in some domain" (besides conscientiousness does not even qualify that much even for this latter criterion).
Is this something that we simply cannot know with current methods? Ice Age people obviously didn't leave any sound recordings, but surely some of the sounds would have to be present in a similar form in order for us to say with confidence that a it's the same word?
Searching for "fire" gives a bunch of different results; I have no idea which one they used. The one closest to English is probably "*ṗVxwV" (where V stands for any vowel, I believe).
It starts all the way back in Proto-Indo-European and gives a really fulfilling amount of linguistic detail. Some of the most enjoyable parts, IMO, are when you realize that two seemingly-unrelated words are actually cognate.
Japanese - cha
Chinese - chá
Thailand - chā
Russian - чай (chay)
Turkish - Çay (chai)
Sri Lanka Sinhala - තේ (tē)
Arabic - شاي (shay)
German - tee
English - tea!
You have to go out of your way to find a language where "tea" deviates from those patterns.
I think it’s similar with other products originating largely from a single source, e.g. “chocolate”, “ramen”, “tofu”, “wine”, “cashmere”, “curry”, “khaki”, “shampoo”, ...
According to Wiktionary the xocolatl case is actually a bit uncertain (not much evidence of that word in use before 1750), and there are some competing theories that it was maybe related to the word for a stirring stick, or maybe descended from the Yucatec Maya word chocol (hot). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chocolate
The version I like is the Maya version from the south of Mexico, now called tascalate (not sure what the Maya name was, or exactly what the etymology is there – the “ate” part comes from the same Nahuatl word for water).
But that’s all sort of beside the point that the word chocolate (and cacao) are fairly recent words, which were spread rapidly around the world mostly from one source, so the name was adopted pretty much everywhere as a loanword, and doesn’t change too much between languages.
From etymology online:
The distribution of the different forms of the word in Europe reflects the spread of use of the beverage. The modern English form, along with French thé, Spanish te, German Tee, etc., derive via Dutch thee from the Amoy form, reflecting the role of the Dutch as the chief importers of the leaves (through the Dutch East India Company, from 1610). Meanwhile, Russian chai, Persian cha, Greek tsai, Arabic shay, and Turkish çay all came overland from the Mandarin form.
Which probably means we got it earlier thanks to our trips to India and China in the 1500s, but then failed to capitalize on its sale to the rest of Europe.
http://www.mightyleaftea.be/history-of-tea?___store=uk&___fr...
edit: tea not teat
Starting in the early seventeen century, the Dutch played a dominant role in the early European tea trade via the Dutch East India Company.[18] The Dutch borrowed the word for "tea" (thee) from Min Chinese, either through trade directly from Fujian or Formosa where they had established a port, or from Malay traders in Bantam, Java.
Also interesting speculation as to whether the chinese themselves got it the word from speakers of austro-asiatic languages living in southwest china.
Well, there you go:
Lithuanian: arbata, https://translate.google.com/#en/lt/tea
Polish: herbata, https://translate.google.com/#en/pl/tea
Aymara: pulu, https://ay.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulu
Herbata seems to come from Latin, as it relates to herbs.
And then there's "czajnik" for teapot.
It seems fair to say a language with c. 3M speakers is "going out of one's way" though.
Presumably (all?) other native American languages have words for steeped drinks not derived from "tea" too.
FWIW, especially in North England, en-gb has the word "brew" for a hot, steeped, drink (http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=br...) which predates the bringing of tea to the UK.
[0] https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/134659/why-is-pi...
Mandarin - chá
Hokkien - tê
Abacaxi is such a fun word to say out loud.
I'm pretty sure 'ananas' is still pineapple in parts of South America, where it's a key ingredient in a Chilean cocktail.
furthermore - palta = avocado, durazno = peach, choclo = corn etc - some of the words that are completely different from their Peninsular Spanish equivalents.
However, the following similarities are probably due to the common roots of Latin and Sanskrit:
English/Latin - Sinhalese
Nose - Naas
Dental - Danta
Three - Three
Regina (Queen) - Regina
There are many others...
Words adapted from Sinhalese to English:
Anaconda - Henakandaya (හෙණකඳයා) (Means "Massive Body")
It still sounds somewhat familiar to modern slavic words for hammer: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kamień#Polish
There are just some things all human speaker communities need to talk about. Since these tend to be "ultraconserved" words, using the Swadesh list is a great way to understand the lineage of a given under-documented language, but a bad way to understand any rule-based mechanisms associated with that language such as morphology associated with inflection or declension.
ashes bark black fire hand I man mother not old that this thou to flow to give to hear to pull to spit we what who worm we