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Safari 11.0

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Love seeing WebRTC and WebAssembly in the new version!

But truth be told, the only thing I really want from Safari is favicons on tabs along with page title. Kills usability for me otherwise.

Woah, WebRTC at last? They kept that one quiet.

Hadn't some of the developers said publicly that they were in the middle of working on it sometime in the last year?

It seems like I start being brought up as "under development" every time someone complained about it here on HN.

Yeah, they publicly advertised for a WebRTC developer last year, so it was pretty clear they were working on it.

Not really.

> the only thing I really want from Safari is favicons on tabs

It's like engineers at Apple don't even use Safari. If they did, this would have been done years ago. Trying to eyeball a bunch of tabs without favicons is horrendous.

That's exactly one of the reasons I use Safari as my daily driver. Not everybody likes the shiny colorful icons. I think it looks better without it.

WebRTC and wasm are really exciting to see finally land. The only thing that would've been better news for me is HPKP.

What's HPKP

HTTP Public Key Pinning: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Public_Key...

Wait... Safari doesn't have icons in the tabs? I thought every browser did. Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Edge, Opera all do.

"Web applications saved to the home screen now support all features of modern WebKit, such as Fast-Tap, scroll snapping and the new visual viewports behavior"

Holy shit, the support was that bad? Not just "no Service Workers and no Web App Manifest", but literally "not all WebKit features"?!

Home screen apps have gotten worse and worse over the last few releases of iOS. Glad to hear someone is paying attention, though it brings us no closer to service workers...

Do you think that with WebRTC, we will see – at last! – some Opus support? I thought it was a requirement for WebRTC, but knowing Apple stance on newish-and-patent-free codecs, it would really surprise me (in a good way).

Opus seems to be in: "Safari supports modern audio codecs such as Opus"

https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap...

Still no Service Workers :(

I was hoping for a redesign with better tab management and dev tools. I am using safari as my main browser because it's just that Ressource friendly on Mac, but find myself often being jealous about chrome

WebRTC is finally arriving!

Missing: Service Workers and web.bluetooth!

A Web MIDI implementation would be great as well (and in keeping with Apple's usual level of attention to MIDI and other audio production niceties) but it's admittedly a pretty niche feature with very few people active in the spec outside of Chromium.

When I was at Mozilla, there were a ton of folks interested in WebMIDI, but nobody had the time to work on it. A lot of folks were hoping that someone would build a polyfill but it never really came.

Still no favicons in tabs ? Damn it Apple.. it's 2017.

Still no Service Workers?

Safari is literally the new Internet Explorer.

Great to see WebAssembly getting traction, but can't help feel it's still early days. Debugging is still a hot mess.

Now this is an exciting release! Congrats Safari team, this is hot!

Any news on Web Workers?

According to https://webkit.org/status/?, they're still under consideration (search `Service Workers`)

Is it not already supported ? http://caniuse.com/webworkers/embed/agents=ie,firefox,chrome...

Parent probably meant Service Workers http://caniuse.com/

Oh my, yes that's what I meant!

They definitely meant SERVICE workers, that's still "under consideration" https://webkit.org/status/#specification-service-workers

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