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Apple Events – WWDC Keynote, June 2017 [video]

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I know that opening commercial was intended to show how much we depend on apple and its services - but its kinda a great argument against centralized services... kinda weird really.

I'd love to see the "1984" commercial played right before that one to contrast how much Apple has changed. From a message of empowering people with technology to "You're stupid without us" condescension...

Hard to go from underdog to the most valuable public company in the world and stay subversive

I remember this one guy at Apple who made it seem possible by saying no a lot.

That was a video for developers, you know. Like Ballmer's "monkey dance". It was saying "apps are awesome and everyone depends on you developers" (you can agree or not, but that was the message).

First thing Cook said after that was "Thank goodness that can't actually happen".

Yeah that's what I thought. Why the fuck would that be an argument to build on top of the apple ecosystem?

I think we'll see on-device deep learning capabilities/Siri that isn't dependent on a network connection.

It's this thing called comedy. It's a form of entertainment.

It wasn't really arguing anything, it was a comic skit featuring post apocalyptic selfie sellers and face swap surgeons. It's purpose was to entertain.

Some might found this to be much more usable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9u0d4uZQyM

Watching this kinda makes me miss Steve Jobs. I feel like he was one of the only people who could get up on stage and act enthusiastic about their products without seeming fake.

It's hard to not sound fake when your main announcement is about adding a Toy Story watchface to a watch.

They're really pushing this Disney partnership in our faces here... Mickey, Toy Story, and that Star Wars VR thing.

Edit: They just did a Pirates of the Caribbean demo on the iPad...

The Onion just tweeted this: http://www.theonion.com/article/apple-unveils-panicked-man-w... [2013]. Ouch.

Also can't remember Steve Jobs looking at the "teleprompter" that much.

The tall gray haired guy seems to be a Jobsian figure, in appearances.

You can use VLC — MPlayer — or the much better — MPV to watch the stream without Safari.

https://p-events-delivery.akamaized.net/17qopibbefvoiuhbsefv...

I remember when watching these was a big deal. Now, I didn't even realize they were having one.

Oh yes, the modern version of Javascript: ECMAScript 5. I'm impressed that Safari is so modern that it finally supports this.

yus true.

Did Apple really not learn any lessons from the trashcan Mac Pro? Anyone who purchases that is going to be stuck with the inability to upgrade just like the old Mac Pro. The peripheral upgrade route never materialized with the trashcan and I have no faith it will materialize with this iMac version. And even if it does, wouldn't a Macbook Pro user have the exact same upgrade routes with the added benefit of portability?

Apple File System coming to mac as the default!

Apple is so lost. Who in the world needs that much processing power? 18 core xeon processor ? Really? 4999 for the entry level 8 core xeon processor? Apple who exactly are you targeting? You say you want users who want to do cutting edge stuff with your hardware but are they really going to shell out 5 grande for this, when a custom made pc priced at half that will do the job? Come on here.

With the economy in the tank and wages being stagnant, this is simply unacceptable.

As the speaker said it's aimed at people doing video editing, 3d graphics, machine-learning, compiling huge code-bases, etc. Basically it's something your work buys if you do one of those things for a job.

If you missed the whole outcry about the Macbook Pro updates last year, some of the criticism was bemoaning the fact the machines weren't powerful enough to cater to the above (along with the trashcan Mac Pro not having received updates in 3-4 years).

(Also care to backup the claim you can match that spec with a PC at half that price, as that would directly contradict the claim made on-stage)?

Um, professionals? (scientists, graphic designers, architects, analysts). Custom PCs are generally a poor choice in institutional contexts because of high TCO (crappy drivers and nonexistent long-term support).

That said, it seems weird that there hasn't been a reasonable way to have an OS X machine in a data center since the Xserves.

High-end workstations from other manufacturers aren't "custom PCs" in any way, but still upgradable and serviceable. It's an interesting question if that is necessary or not, MacBooks don't come with really good support packages either and still are immensely popular with professional users. (It's certainly less important than it is with server systems)

If you don't know what the Bloomberg Terminal is, you might find Googling it enlightening.

> With the economy in the tank and wages being stagnant

Whose economy? The US's is in danger of overheating.

Please tell us more about that custom PC at half price with similar specs.

I can't wait until Apple demos their own A-series based mac or macbook. I think apple could scale the ARM architecture to make it wide and Out-of-Order. They have the money, the cozy relationship with SoftBank (who owns ARM), and we all know they like to vertically integrate. They're even bringing graphics in house so why not roll your own graphics, cpu, etc?

x265 makes me the _most_ excited. The faster it goes mainstream the smaller my Plex library will get. Thank you Apple for pushing things forward again.

I wonder how Venmo is going to react after the WWDC announcement of native iOS person-to-person payments via Apple Pay. Native functionality is tough to beat unless Venmo and other p2p payment apps have large enough networks to fight the momentum.

Unless Apple Pay works for p2p with Android devices, Venmo and others will be just fine. Android has a major share of the market, and heterogeneous p2p cash transfers will be needed.

As always, if you want to watch the stream, you need to use Safari.

Can the title reflect this somehow?

Edge works on Win 10, not sure why other comment was downvoted.

You can use Edge as well.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/05/apple-wwdc-2017-liveblog...

When speaking of music in the home - "I can't think of anything that matters more to so many of us". The hyperbole is just too much for me anymore I think.

I cringed at that too.

No USB-C?

edit: ah, techcrunch called them 'lightning ports'. The Apple press release calls them Thunderbolt 3 ports which are USB-C.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu...

Where did you get that? I am pretty sure all those Thunderbolt ports are USB-C compatible.

They added kaleidoscopes to the watch. ಠ_ಠ

No touchbarless 15inch macbook pro after all? :(

wait is the mac not getting 32GB ram options?

Nope. At least there's a $5k iMac!

IIRC this is because they need LPDDR to reduce power needs, but no one is near making LPDDR4 in sizes like that yet.

Even with such a low volume product like the iMac pro - they could buy out all the EPYC or Threadripper chips from AMD for the next mac. But I bet Intel is likely selling their CPUs to Apple for a loss just to maintain that relationship.

Doesn't look like the MacBook Pro is at all.

sad - just kaby lake but no 32GB ram options.

I was kinda hoping for a better battery and discrete graphics on Macbooks in addition to Kaby Lake. Oh well.

I am absolutely preordering the HomePod.

ok the available-at-the-end-of-the-year imac Pro - looks awesome. Too bad it'll be wicked expensive.

There's a distinctive "Woo" guy in one of the front rows that's quite annoying.

Something just feels so off when their closing announcement is a glorified speaker.

There's an underwhelming feeling to this that is accentuated by the fact that isn't a novel breakthrough in the slightest. Literally introducing a speaker that does, more or less, what Amazon's echo has done for over a year.

In the screenshot for iOS 11 there was "WebRTC support"

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Man MPV is just terrific. I didn't know it could play these type of streams.

Not working in VLC for me.

Doing the lord's work. Thanks man.

Thanks!

"Your browser doesn’t support live streaming of the event."

Running latest Firefox.

Also latest Chrome.

Few companies could get away with this UX, but Apple is one of them.

HLS is an open standard (and a very simple one); Firefox and Chrome have just avoided implementing it for some reason.

From my reading, it appears off of any standards track it might have had -- it remains something Apple made up and can change however they like.

Which would be a great reason for not implementing it in an open browser.

Requirements: Live streaming uses Apple’s HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) technology. HLS requires an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with Safari on iOS 7.0 or later, a Mac with Safari 6.0.5 or later on OS X v10.8.5 or later, or a PC with Microsoft Edge on Windows 10. Streaming via Apple TV requires an Apple TV (2nd or 3rd generation) with software 6.2 or later or an Apple TV (4th generation).

amazon to the tv app! w00t

Doesn't work on latest Chrome on the latest Mac. Sigh.

Going to watch anyway.

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