What the last Nuremberg prosecutor alive wants the world to know
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There won't be closure until we hunt them down everywhere they hide, and the whole world has become much more smaller thanks to the internet.
> Benjamin Ferencz: No. He's a patriotic human being acting in the interest of his country, in his mind.
This quote stands out, in light of the Portland stabber, who, even when caught, seemed to stand by his killings in the courtroom [1]
"Patriotic correctness" [2] should never override the constitution or basic human rights.
[1] https://youtu.be/TTZJoCWuhXE?t=1m19s
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/07/...
I can't possibly add anything to the story, provide additional insight or historical reference. All I can do is to be profoundly thankful that there are people like Ben Ferencz in the world and hope that, in my own small way, I'm leaving the planet a bit better than I found it.
The baity title probably refers to this fragment:
Lesley Stahl: Did you meet a lot of people who perpetrated war crimes who would otherwise in your opinion have been just a normal, upstanding citizen?
Benjamin Ferencz: Of course, is my answer. These men would never have been murderers had it not been for the war. These were people who could quote Goethe, who loved Wagner, who were polite--
Lesley Stahl: What turns a man into a savage beast like that?
Benjamin Ferencz: He's not a savage. He's an intelligent, patriotic human being.
Lesley Stahl: He's a savage when he does the murder though.
Benjamin Ferencz: No. He's a patriotic human being acting in the interest of his country, in his mind.
Lesley Stahl: You don't think they turn into savages even for the act?
Benjamin Ferencz: Do you think the man who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima was a savage? Now I will tell you something very profound, which I have learned after many years. War makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. All wars, and all decent people.
So Ferencz has spent the rest of his life trying to deter war and war crimes by establishing an international court – like Nuremberg. He scored a victory when the international criminal court in The Hague was created in 1998. He delivered the closing argument in the court's first case.
There's no shortage in history of episodes where people have been irrational, selfish, bigoted.
Stalin and Pol Pot were just people, slave-owners were just people, inquisitors were just people, witch-burning villagers were people...
It doesn't take that much imagination to put oneself in their shoes... and see that it's largely greed, small-mindedness, or stupidity that explain what they did.
Greed, small-mindedness, and stupidity are as much a part of human nature, as generosity, open-mindedness, and cleverness. Regardless, any society in which I'd want to live promotes the latter.
There may be things that are not understandable, but, when we give it our best shot we can say we tried.
In many cases, I imagine the SS officer may have had a gun pointed to his head himself. That certainly was the case in Cambodia. If a soldier didn't kill someone who he was ordered to kill, he would be shot himself.
If we can keep tensions low and communicate better I believe we can at least forestall further world wars.
But it was the combination of the difficulty of saying no to authority and probably peer pressure , together with the reasonable possibility they'll be sent to the front lines (not even as a punishment , but because that's what men did back than).
If it's a choice between him and me, I choose me.
If it's a choice between those ten people and me, I probably choose me.
If it's a choice between a n+1 people and me, I guess I've already done n, what's another one?
Acknowledging that there is a difference between being sent away to war and certain death. That there's a difference between 1 more person and a hundred. I believe that far more people than we'd like to admit would just follow orders.
The quote was "one thousand and one is still only one thousand" from a poem about a concentration camp (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szebnie_concentration_camp)