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For security and privacy, neighter is a good option. If you compare Telegram and Riot, Telegram wins hands down from a UX point of view. Riot is seriously lacking in this department, but it offers true end to end encryption with multiple devices by default, so if that matters to you, that is the best choice.

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It all comes down to the author's personal preferences and concerns, but a blanket assertion that WhatsApp is not a good option from a security option is silly. WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted with the Signal protocol by default, so the security of its message contents is top-notch.

But if the author is especially concerned about collection of metadata they should consider Signal itself, which also has a very well thought-out UX.

> Riot is seriously lacking in this department, but it offers true end to end encryption with multiple devices by default, so if that matters to you, that is the best choice.

What about Wire?

It wasn't entirely open sourced last time I researched it, which is one of the reasons I switched to Riot.

My understanding is that the client code and some of the server code is on github, and the rest of the server side code is being released gradually:

https://github.com/wireapp

https://medium.com/@wireapp/open-sourcing-wire-server-code-e...

https://medium.com/@wireapp

Wire is still improving quickly and it looks very promising, but this (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/secure-messaging-...) is reason enough for me to avoid them for now. Signal is still the best secure messenger in my opinion.

Indeed. There is no reason to store that what so ever. Idealy, messaging is fully distributed, secure, and anonymous.

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