Was the Art of S-Town Worth the Pain?
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I mostly disagree with the author's apparent bias (that the podcast wasn't "worth the pain" it would cause to its subjects). If Reed was doing his journalistic duty in assuring consent of his subjects (which he seems to unfailingly respect, as evidenced from the content of the podcast episodes), then the subjects have consented to being "on the record," and have essentially waived their right to private conversation.
It's trickier with the main subject of the podcast, given the circumstances. He clearly consented to being recorded, but uncovering more of his private life through the testimony of others could be against his wishes. I would argue that the main subject would want this story told in its entirety, given his raw disposition and tendency for taking a microscope to the problems of the world.
Ultimately, I think it was an ethically sound journalistic telling of a captivating story. I highly recommend taking a listen.
I don't see why this is relevant. As long as the journalist reports from within the ethical and legal boundaries of the profession, I don't think we can fault him/her if the subject doesn't like the end product. Very few journalists will give retroactive veto power to an interview subject, nor will they allow the subject to dictate who else may say what about the story. In the general case, in the absence of submitting the story for review before publishing, it is impossible to ensure that the subject will be happy with it. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of this.
2) "I would argue the subject of the podcast would consent" is not the same as consent. It's one thing if it's a public figure. The subject of this podcast was not a public figure.
So the first reason Reed gives for revealing John's apparent first lover is because John is dead and based on his assessment of John's personality, he believes John would not care, because again, he's dead. Besides the fact that there is obviously more at stake than your personal relationship with private information, i.e secrets effect your friends, family and enemies who are still alive, presuming that someone feels a certain way based on a few years of talking to them towards the end of their life is not an ironclad basis for an assumption like that. This reasoning is so shitty, that it almost makes the second reason weaker, as if Reed was kind of desperate to bolster his argument for exposing this somehow. The second reason is that other sources corroborated what John told Reed in confidence, so he feels that he can reveal it even though John told him not to. This logic sounds a little better than the first, but still, I'm not an expert in journalistic ethics, but I would venture to say that it's still a bit immoral to reveal that information via a third party, not least because they may be giving you a corrupted version of it. In my opinion it would almost be better to say "This person told me that John had a sort of boyfriend at one point early in his life", but not verify it with John's own off the record remarks.
Additionally, it doesn't realllly seem to add a ton to the story for me. I think that whether or not John had boyfriends early in his life could have been left vague and had the same effect.
As for the "church" stuff, again, I'm sort of at a loss. One thing that is for certain, as the article says, is that John intentionally did not reveal to Reed what was actually going on in these sessions. Again, I don't really know what's acceptable here from a journalist's standpoint, but to me it seems like he went a little overboard with it. By the end I got the impression, which I think was intentional, that John was getting something vaguely sexual out of "church" based just on Tyler's account. This is really dicey because John gets no retort because he's dead and it's clear he didn't really want to talk about it in the first place. I think that the pain addiction was an important part of the story, but again, I'm not sure it was worth the better part of an episode since John didn't want to talk about it when he was alive.
Anyway, I'm not saying that totally agree with the writer of the article. And as I said twice above, I can't figure out exactly how I feel about the whole thing. On some level though, it definitely made me a little bit uneasy, like I was eavesdropping.
In terms of the "church" topic, I think Tyler's accounts are completely valid/ethical to share (since he was "on the record"). Still, it doesn't sit well with me that John's account of "church" doesn't align with Tyler's. As a listener it feels like I'm hearing something John isn't completely comfortable with sharing.
Thanks for the discussion points!
I don't think any of us can speak for the subject of the podcast (and I think it still matters despite how it ended up), but when I put myself in his shoes I would not feel good about how far the podcast went.
Yeah, that's just not ethical as far as I'm concerned. When you're guessing about consent you should assume you don't have it.
I don't even know.. I felt uneasy listening at times due to this exact question, but I don't think it was unethical at all.
I'm not talking about whether or not it was allowable, I'm talking about the moral implications.
If I openly talked about my sexual partners with a journalist (in this case, he didn't) — it would be kind of messed up to track them all down, find out my specific kinks, and then publish that without asking me.
You could technically do it, but I don't think I could feel good about publishing it.
Brian Reed intimately got to know and was deeply affected by John's story, and it is shameful to me that others without understanding of neither their relationship nor what John went through would think themselves judge and jury on the morality of this production. It is reasonable to question them, but to pass the judgement that Brian Reed is taking advantage of John for his own journalistic advances is to not think very deeply about the podcast in my opinion. Brian likely recognized this relationship between the sharing of loneliness and its cure, and likely conjectured that this is what a healthy version of John would have wanted.
http://hazlitt.net/longreads/airbrushing-shittown
Sounds like it's actually kind of messed up in whose perspectives it chooses to accommodate and whose it fails to include. Very good (long) read.
I think it's likely Brian outed people who didn't want to be outed, who also happen to live in a violently intolerant society. That's journalistically unethical.
Brian also does a lot of bisexual erasure in S-Town and that's not cool either.