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without IP these high margin American technology is copyable, which China has already shown they can do that.

American technology companies don't rely on IP restrictions as much as they used to. You couldn't copy Facebook, Google, Apple, or Amazon's products and services effectively on a global scale even if they had no IP restrictions.

And China is the second largest market for American movies, which absolutely require IP law to function. So I think this concern is overstated.

Sure. But I predict in 10 years we will all buy Huawei networking kit and everyone will have forgotten there ever was a company called Cisco (for example).

Huawei will shamelessly give away all your data to the Chinese government.

At the very least it looks like Cisco doesn't willingly do that with the NSA.

That should count for something.

Else we'll have to learn to trade like the Chinese, and it's almost inconceivable - they'll fuck you the first chance they get, like some third world shithole, they have no principles in my experience.

It's clear that the Chinese are playing economics to win, while the West is playing like it's still just a game.

It's kinda weird when you think about it. A Western manager thinks that Chinese or Indians are content to do as they are told and lack the ability or ambition to compete, so just outsource the work. But the truth is they are just as smart as anyone, and have the same aspirations as everyone else and are ruthless about getting it just as the West was in the imperial colonial days.

Well, I don't care about that, I just want to get what we agreed on, not get good quality samples and then subpar shit that uses cheaper metal for the end product. Also if you want quality control, you need to have your own man doing that as the factory just doesn't give a fuck.

I get that it's all cheaper, if that's the problem let it be more expensive, not lower quality.

China has shown that they are very adept at copying American high-tech innovation.

* Facebook: WeChat/Weibo

* Google: Baidu

* Apple: already being made in China, clones everywhere

* Amazon: Alibaba

re: Facebook

On the contrary, WeChat is leaps and bounds ahead of Facebook Messenger (which is a more direct comparison). If you've watched Facebook Messenger over time, it's actually Facebook Messenger that's aspiring to be the WeChat of the west.

I was intrigued by Tencent's offer of 1TB of storage, installed the app and it immediately started uploading all of my phone's content to their cloud. Haha, great fucking service, just amazing.

Actually Facebook has shamelessly copy-catted WeChat continuously over the last 2 years

We prefer to use the term, seeking inspiration as opposed to copying, over here =P

Some Chinese products are better, but PLEASE remove Baidu from that list. Baidu has been ridiculous for the past few years: I can't find anything on Baidu, pretty much the entire first page is full of irrelevant ads; all my Chinese friends are complaining about that too.

I use Baidu Maps every time I visit China. Heavily disappointed, it comes nowhere near Google Maps's quality.

Baidu often gives me better results than Google for Chinese search queries, particularly when looking for pages not blocked in mainland to share with people there.

I (as well as my Chinese friends) were looking for Chinese queries. Couldn't find useful stuff. I ended up using Bing. :(

Google copied baidu not the other way around. And how is Alibaba a copy of Amazon... It's nothing like Amazon in terms of how it actually works and make money. An Alibaba in the US doesn't even exist.

> Google copied baidu not the other way around

How so?

They didn't. Google predates Baidu by two years. It's possible they could be talking about a specific technology, but not likely. Google had a Chinese subsidiary at one point in time, but stopped bothering as the government got in their way and assisted Baidu at every turn. Like with most situations where a foreign company competes with a Chinese one.

And that's before you get into the fact that China really doesn't want any foreign info-based companies operating in its borders, given their heavy propaganda machine. They'll tolerate it only until they can clone it and expel it.

Read my comment above, inform yourself.

The founder of Baidu Robin Li published his RankDex paper in 1997, a year before Larry Page's PageRank in 1998. And Larry was clearly aware of RankDex when he founded Google.

Here's what Wikipedia says in its PageRank entry:

>A small search engine called "RankDex" from IDD Information Services designed by Robin Li was, since 1996, already exploring a similar strategy for site-scoring and page ranking.[16] The technology in RankDex would be patented by 1999[17] and used later when Li founded Baidu in China.[18][19] Li's work would be referenced by some of Larry Page's U.S. patents for his Google search methods.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank#cite_ref-20

I don't think Google is a Baidu clone but in the cavalier way that people accuse other people of copying the timeline only supports Larry copying Robin Li.

Today I learned. Thanks.

https://qz.com/981277/the-fast-furious-franchise-is-huge-in-...

Hollywood movies do well in China but aren't particularly profitable.

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