For Chinese Home Buyers, Seattle Is the New Vancouver
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People are living on the streets yet there are empty homes available that aren't for sale and artificially propping up home values in the area because someone from overseas needed somewhere to hide their cash.
In theory, foreign power with deep pockets can buy up large swaths of important land and establish local governments and population that eventually can tilt national politics and policies in desired way. This becomes more and more easier as elections in lot of developed countries often decided by thin margins from very predictable geographical locations. I am not saying this is happening but at least in theory it's possible to design full on economic attack on any country with such laws. Imagine what kind of havoke a foreign government can create if they buy up all aggreculture land and control food prices in peace times and famines in war times. Or buy up key commercial estates critical to producing energy or real estate for even just simple daily needs like gas stations or grocery stores.
Actually only in the US and UK. Most other developed countries have evolved beyond the "first past the post" system.
0 - http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/03/vote-correlation-int...
Edit: Added a source.
They would also have to invade this country or corrupt the government.
Why would you want to do that? People want to invest in the United States and give us money, we are instead suppossed to spend money and create a blackmarket to prevent them from doing so at a loss?
> People are living on the streets yet there are empty homes available that aren't for sale and artificially propping up home values in the area
Housing prices are high because government spending on public services that increase the attractiveness of a location subsidizes land ownership whenever these services are paid for using taxes other than taxes on land. The solution is not to ban ownership of land but to tax it.
When government spending is not funded by land taxes, it allows landowners to charge higher rent in response to increased government spending on public services, even if they did not inveset in improving the private property located on the site. With a land value tax, landowners are directly charged for the public services which increase their land value. This means that they have to invest in improving their property if they want to increase their profit, such as by increasing the number of available housing units on the site.
Foreign investors may still buy homes and try to lease them, but they will end up funding the government and public services which only benefit the residents which actually live in the US, and they will be unable to pass on this tax burden to renters.
Is this the sort of investment you want? Is this good investment? Driving up the price of housing?
2. Don't cap property taxes. Instead use property tax revenues to build cool stuff for the city, among them very wide-ranging, very fast public transit so people can live in suburbs without shitty commutes.
3. Tax unoccupied housing heavily.
Take this at face value because I'm too busy to look up citations, but it seems the general trend around the world is to make citizenship harder to acquire, not easier, compounding this issue.
* Full disclosure - I am very biased because I am a resident of a country in which I am not a citizen, and I've been really frustrated by not being able to get a mortgage.
You can't actually spend your _entire_ life in the US and not be a citizen, since if you're born there you're a citizen. Still, though, the general idea holds.
They also do it domestically, but leading to ghost towns.
I'll be curious as to see how this affects Vancouver real estate prices. Right now it doesn't seem to have had a huge effect, but if the market crashes, it will be very interesting to watch to see how it ends up. Real estate there has been going straight up for so long, it's a way of life for 2 generations who have never seen a major crash. I wonder if the market does crash, it will shake out the way the dotcom bust did, where people kept buying because they thought "it's on sale" but it never reached a bottom until so many people lost so much money.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/the-market/chines...
Seattle will probably be too slow to react and end up in the same situation, but maybe it will get the attention of other cities/states before it becomes a problem.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-24/why-chinese-investors-...
So now you as Chinese investor have an expensive property in a foreign country where you can't live permanently and very likely you have little information on purchase itself. Sure you can rent out using some management company and bet on appreciation but it's still a lot of risk considering you have little control and information over property management, local events and economics. Plus real estate markets have long history of downturns and non-liquidity in times when you need the most. Wouldn't buying S&P500 index or something for long term would be a far better investment choice? Or just REIT funds if you just want to bet on real estate? Or is there some hidden economics involved that we don't know of?
No such rules exist for housing that is purchased outright and not financed.
These people don't want an investment, per se. They need to store the money, but also to hide it. If the beneficial ownership of the assets purchased with the money is obscured, they can't be clawed back if they are arrested in China and charged with stealing that money in the first place.
This makes for a fairly large but hidden component of the trade imbalance.
The only other way to get funds > $50K out of China is through getting 'permission' which equates giving the right people a cut, or maybe you'll find your money confiscated.
Source: did some business with the Chinese well in excess of that $50k.
2) There are many native Chinese property managers in these markets (coastal US, Vancouver, Sydney) specializing in supplying info and property management services to mainland Chinese looking to invest/speculate.
3) Expensive is relative. Seattle property is about half the price of property in Beijing or Shanghai (while the average income is about 3 to 4 times as high)
4) As others have noted, stocks are a lot more regulated. And in China they're perceived as much more speculative than property.
People can wait for an investor visa for 5 or more years easily
I feel they could simply apply the same tax to non US citizens/permanent residents trying to purchase a home in the Seattle area.
The idea of a vacancy tax seems hard to apply while respecting people privacy.
If the owner is a non citizen who doesn't live in the US, you can use immigration records to know of his presence, and they he/she can show rent documents to prove if the house was occupied. But this looks like it would be hard to enforce.
It's interesting to see how other cities are tackling the issue, Paris bumping up the tax to 60% of the fair market value of rent for instance : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/vacant-homes-are-gl...
This lost also shows that while Vancouver is high on the list, San Francisco and NYC are higher.
There is support growing in Vancouver for a surtax based on property value that would be offset by income taxes, and wouldn't apply to those who are retired or on disability [1]. This would be collected from both foreigners who are underreporting their income as well as the idle rich, while also putting additional pressure on those leaving homes vacant to rent.
The idea is to renew the social contract, so that those who are working and contributing to the economy can enjoy the benefits of reasonably affordable housing.
Why not just apply to it to non-resident aliens (a federal income tax status) rather than to people who aren't US citizens or permanent residents (which is related to nationality/immigration status).
All US citizens are tax resident. All permanent residents are resident aliens. However, by defining things this way, you are excluding people who are living in the US on a temporary work visa (e.g. H-1B, TN, L-1, etc.) and other temporary residents who are, nonetheless, very much resident in the US, in that they spend over 183 days in a year (or more than 4 months per year averaged over 3 years; the rules are kind of complicated) in the US.
As other comments mentioned, a tax like this should also affect rich citizens who similarly contribute to vacant houses, so to actually solve the problem I guess it should affect all property owners
To pass a court challenge, the laws as written and the discussions around them have to apply to everyone otherwise it would be too discriminatory (5th amendment equal liberty clause, & 14th amendment equal protection clause). Maybe you could write it as all homebuyers in that jurisdiction being subject to the tax, and then its tiered for certain variables.
I think we could accomplish it but not at a local or state level
Once Seattle's had 25%+ average growth in housing prices for several years coupled with absolutely no economic basis to support such a trend, then we can start a discussion.
You can live in Vancouver and fully enjoy the city without ever having to speak a word of English.
The signage and announcements at YVR are in Chinese.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3304/4556712750_a4470bfb56_z.j...
Chinese grocery stores are common in the city and many suburbs. You can easily find mandarin speakers at most banks. Chinese signage and mandarin staff are common in malls, especially luxury goods.
And if you get permanent residence healthcare is free. Just don't declare your foreign income. Everyone's doing it.
http://vancouversun.com/life/richmond-3-why-does-upscale-nei...
And if the English-speaking westernized kids and grandkids can get things like tuition and medical care out of it, that's certainly a nice bonus.
I lived for many years in a city that saw a truly massive influx of investments driven almost entirely by capital flight, predominantly from Iran and China, and those buyers were all too happy to buy a house, never move into it, eventually send their kids over for an education, bring the kids back home, sell the housing in US Dollars and keep those funds there. (Or, rent it out and deposit the funds into a US account.)
It's also worth noting that seasoning requirements for funds contributed to a mortgage don't apply when the purchase happens in cash. The people who play at the level required to make capital flight worthwhile aren't near the center of the bell curve.
Immigration ≠ capital flight.
> Certain other individuals, such as some holders of study and/or work permits, or working permits on working holiday programs — which are issued under the federal Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and are valid for a period of six or more months — may be deemed residents. Tourists or visitors to B.C. do not qualify.
I was thinking especially of the university students I know who got MSP cards after being in BC for a few months on student visas--they are actually required to enrol [2]. Incidentally, there was a thing in the media about the number of owners of multi-million dollar homes in Vancouver who listed their profession as "student" [3]. Working holiday visas are typically only for 1 year, and they also qualify. You might think that a lot of young people who need elective surgery would take advantage of the working holiday visa programs, but the waiting times for most specialties would make it a gamble to get anything done in the 9 months they'd have coverage (I'm not entirely joking).
If you're curious what happens while waiting to become eligible, private insurance companies offer a standard insurance package called "Visitors to Canada" insurance ($200-$500 CAD for 3 months depending on deductible and whether you need coverage for a "stable" pre-existing condition).
Visitor to Canada insurance is also what you need to buy if you're a Canadian who has lived abroad and need to cover the gap before you can re-enroll, though it is not a mandate, and technically under the Canada Health Act they can't refuse to treat you if you are a citizen. I have heard that a citizen or lawful resident can refuse to pay a bill even if you are not enrolled and nothing will happen, but that may also be an urban legend.
One other point of clarification, since it confuses people to no end. Each province administers its own program. Three provinces (of ten) collect health care "premiums" on those who have income levels to support it: BC, Alberta, and Ontario. The premiums are not paying the cost of health insurance by any stretch, they are a poorly designed and administered poll tax that shares a name with the health care programs. This bothers me constantly when Americans who have moved to BC harp on about how "health insurance" only costs $75 a month in Canada, because the vast majority of the costs are paid through other revenues. Eliminating premiums is an issue in tomorrow's BC election.
[1] http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverag... [2] https://students.ubc.ca/health-wellness/health-insurance/hea... [3] http://globalnews.ca/news/2968607/new-numbers-show-multi-mil...
EDIT: Added some more information about how health care premiums work for the sake of posterity.