Intel decided they have the right to put a whole secret computer inside your computer that only they can access. God knows what it does when no one is watching.
That's the problem you should discuss, not this particular exploit.
That's the problem you should discuss, not this particular exploit.
Unfortunately though, too many of them still seem to make the connection. eg looking through Shodan quickly just now still shows potentially 1k+ examples. Ugh. :(
But you're right that it's a lot less than is likely present for this AMT problem.
As to whether anything actually uses the PAVP functionality, I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something Intel included to try to push Atom-based set top boxes or whatever.
[1]: https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/codeblue_jp/igor-skochinsk...
Does it, does it really?
I'm pretty sure security through obscurity is some bullshit.
(Needless to say, I'm offering an explanation as to why the Intel ME is what it is, not defending it. I think it's pointless. After all, it's likely that PCs are just not going to get content in the future, given that consumers use set-top boxes that use embedded architectures instead of x86 PCs and Intel has failed in mobile.)
Which you don't need on a headless server. Which is what the "management engine" is supposed to be for.
The code itself is as secret as the code of any proprietary Windows-based remote administration tool they could supply as a poor man's substitute if the ME didn't exist. It's just how this industry works.
This doesn't indicate that there is anything "bad" going on. What is bad is that Intel, being the cheap bastards they are, combined this remote management and DRM, virtualization, TPM, CPU initialization and hell knows what else into one blob running on one MCU with no way to separate and disable the unneeded/unwanted/buggy/vulnerable garbage from actually useful functionality. And that such critical part is closed to third party scrutiny.
The fact that both AMD and ARM integrated similar technologies at around the same time is too much coincidence.
All the signs point to bad actors but for some the bar of evidence is either another Snowden level sacrifice or Intel providing a signed confession. Both improbable and unrealistic. In many ways the detail, scale and scope of revelations in the past 5-10 years make skepticism and hard questions essential. The benefit of doubt has long moved the other way. This alternative is a kind of forced naiveté and denial.
Don't believe the FSF's FUD. TrustZone is really not comparable at all to Intel's Management Engine or AMD's Secure Processor:
* TrustZone is an operating mode of the CPU, not a separate processor. Fundamentally, it's not all that different from supervisor mode; it's just more privileged. (If you really wanted, you could probably write an OS that ran parts of the kernel in TrustZone.)
* You don't have to have anything running under TrustZone. Indeed, most processors which support TrustZone (e.g, most Android phones) aren't using it at all.
* The TrustZone specification is publicly available [1]. You can read about it all you want. (If you're brave enough and have the right development tools, you can even write code to run in it.)
* ARM's reference implementation of a TrustZone OS is also publicly available [2]. If you're curious how it works, you can see for yourself. (This doesn't include the application code which may be present in specific implementations, of course.)
[1]: https://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/trustzo...
Don't believe anti-FSF FUD. If you think they have an issue with TrustZone itself, as opposed to devices using it without owner's control, I'd love to see the links.
AMT is positioned as enterprise exclusive with a price premium, that's how Intel's pricing usually works. The underlying hardware (the ME) is not, because it's used for other things too. On old chipsets you can clear the ME firmware and the computer will miss some weird features but otherwise work, on newer chipsets it won't work at all. That's why every chip has the ME even if many chips don't have the AMT.
> The fact that both AMD and ARM integrated similar technologies at around the same time is too much coincidence.
AMD: not coincidence, competition.
ARM: See the sibling post.
For the sake of argument more than anything, were AMD even remotely competitive with Intel in the enterprise sector at the time they introduced their version of this technology? Sure, they might need it one day (which may be soon) and it'd be nice to have it out there and supported, but I'm not totally convinced by this argument.
Run a small OS first which has remote management capability, and then boot straight into a virutalized OS that the user uses.
So you don't have to claim that Intel could have bad faith. You can claim, with proof, that Intel has less than perfect success at security, and that less than perfect security is reason enough why this "secret computer inside" is a horrible idea.
As usual with AMT, there's a lot of noise, but these vulnerabilities to date have only been exploitable with activated AMT. With activation you can patch, etc.
And as I always point out in these stories, if Intel AMT freaks you out, Google "absolute software embedded bios".
Black Hat 2014 - Kaspersky demonstrates local and remote exploitation of first-stage CompuTrace agent (small agent, it is used only to install full version of rootkit after activation of LoJack or after reinstallation of Windows)
https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-14/materials/us-14-Kamlyuk-...
Holy hell.
Not the same thing at all.
Edit: and trivially removable if you don't want it.
AMT doesn't provide raw disk access either
> no dma
It's connected to PCI. What makes you so sure that it has no DMA access?
> Not the same thing at all
Indeed - iLo is pretty good, but the implementations provided by other vendors have an even worse track record than AMT does.
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I think i may have found it, is it this https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_crea...