Leaked document reveals UK plans for wider internet surveillance

While I won't vote for her, I have to concede that the alternatives do not instil any greater confidence despite being vastly more ethically aligned with my views.

i.e., she just happens to be a horrible person; she isn't winning because of it

This is an important distinction, as we are (in my opinion) still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics, and the best way to keep out of that abyss is not to demonise a majority of the country for this coming election's outcome.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-...

The weakness is that Brexit is simply 5x worse for the UK than it is for the EU, at least economically. The UK does around 50% of its foreign trade with the EU, while for the EU, which is much larger, this represents only around 10% of trade.

The result of failed negotiations is, for the UK, widespread economic depression. For EU countries, it's a slight economic road bump. It's the same mechanism that makes it a much bigger deal for you to get hired by Google than it does for Google.

There's no amount of nationalism, tough talk, bluffing, or posturing Britain can do to change the fact that, at the end of the day, Europe can walk away from these negotiations at any time. Indeed, given the wish to clearly show, once and for all, the benefits of EU membership, failure may already be close to break-even. And even bureaucratic monsters have feelings–the Daily Mail may end up creating true European unity as a parting gift.

All this was obviously known before the referendum, which is why it's baffling to still not even see it being addressed in conservative circles, which instead continue to be rewarded for lying and riling up a nationalistic furore.

> The thing is we have a bigger problem

Indeed

That's come up a lot, but in my opinion it's a meaningless soundbite. Domestic unity has essentially no impact on Brexit.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/04/11/great-repeal-bill...

Both of which, of course, Theresa May wants us to get rid of, so UK citizens will have /no/ constitutionally-entrenched rights.

I've suspected for years that Americans would understand our government better if we had a domestic version of Yes, Minister. Not House of Cards or The West Wing (though that came closer), but something that captures the petty pressures and intransigence of an entrenched civil service.

If only the weather were better... Another option may be going to South Africa, and just not caring about politics.

I'll try to emulate the test case and submit to HN. I think it's somewhat likely that google has removed the links to this in the interest of national security.

People sometimes volunteer to have their DNA taken and matched against the police DNA database when there's been high profile crime of sexual violence.

People just don't care. They think (mostly correctly) that the Government knows everything about them anyway, what does it matter if they get metadata too.

RIPA made things a bit more complicated - it meant that in theory everything now had controls and checks and balances on it. But we know that those were boken, and that the oversight of GCHQ / MI5 / Special Branch / etc was rubber stamping stuff that should not have been happening. But because of RIPA people vaguely think "they get it all with a warrant".

It's important to recognise that approximately zero people care about this, and it's not going to feature in any election manifesto (except for niche parties such as the greens).

Many people don't care that the NHS is being destroyed, and that's a much bigger problem.

Because it requires effort. And if the british people go through with that effort, the government will wait, and do it later.

It's a cat & mouse game except there's one cat and 200 mice. And the mice can fly. And throw the cat in jail.

People aren't going to fight to delay issues. Hell, I'm very much an activist and I sure as hell don't have the will to fight for delays, how would you expect the general population to?

If there's a solution, a real solution, people can fight for it.

Because they don't realize what it means. Maybe doxxing a John Doe (with his approval, of course), and then saying "now, Internet companies and intelligence agencies can do ten times more because they have even better tools and/or have access to even better data" - that may open some eyes.

Maybe someone should open a "doxx-me.org" website, that would let you doxx yourself. Of course this means it lets you doxx anyone, so it would be ethically questionable (well maybe that's more a suggestion for 4chan than for HN).

On the other hand, I think it's important to know what others can know about you using these tools - in other words which parts of your privacy are exposed.

in my case it was a IRC server which was built identically to another 2 nodes in other parts of the world- When I looked into why I found no good reason so I dug in to it and was presented with a GCHQ/NSA project called "Tempora".

I ran a bunch of tests using the popular `openvpn` software suite and a bunch of VPS providers who were cheap enough (tilaa, vultr, linode and AWS) and the common trend was exactly what I described.

If I pinned the ciphers then the data would not be tampered, if I allowed a weaker cipher then my "response" would say the server was only capable of TLS1.0 despite me connecting to the same server minutes earlier on a different port with TLS1.2.

I will do a write-up on this and submit to HN as I assume this is still in place and all references to what I describe seem to have been removed from google.

I'm beginning to feel like one of those tin-foil hat people since I spent considerable time looking at documents surrounding this before and it's just vanished. :(

I meant Facebook. If they all stopped their UK services for a few days, they /us might win. FB + Google want to spy on us to sell ads, but I doubt they want the gov to do so. So we have a common enemy.

I live in UK now and it's absolutely terrifying how every move by the UK government reminds me of the stories told about the communism back home.

Sure, communism itself might not be about reducing democracy, but I guess it would be very hard to find an example where it didn't.

Edit: ok, according to wikipedia, I'm wrong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_United_Workers%27_Party

"Until 1989, the PUWP held dictatorial powers"

However, I think I was trying to make a different point, although failed in my writing. A big reason policies like this get passed, without protest, is because the people of the UK trust the government to "look after them" as a parent would do. It's all about (don't worry about thinking or using your brain, we'll do that for you).