Bilingual speakers experience time differently, study finds
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As other pointed out, the "now" that blends into the future is maybe a more interesting feature of how time is understood in Spanish vs other languages.
On the other hand, I also speak Russian, and switch between Russian and English several times per day. When I speak/think in Russian I tend to not worry about the time order of things that I speak about because Russian has few verb tenses and makes it easy to function in an eternal now where actions are either ongoing or completed. Good for getting an overall perspective on things.
I suspect that it's a western thing more than a terrain thing. I wonder if that applies to the western USA as well?
Another interesting thing that I've noticed is that Europeans and North Americans have a very different concept of historical time and relative distance. To me, a building that has stood for 100 years is OLD, and 200km (Somewhere that's "about an hour and a half to two hours away") is a day trip that's nothing out of the ordinary. When I was in the UK, I noticed that people held the opposite view - 100 years ago was just yesterday, relatively speaking, while traveling 200km for a day trip was inconceivable.
I once travelled from toronto to chicago by car and decided to write down my own directions from google maps because I felt the ones provided were useless. Boy, was I lost when I didnt see a roadsign for windsor/detroit.
Go on Google Maps and look at a city like Montreal and you'll see that the streets are very rectangular.
Look at a city like Paris and you'll see a spiderweb instead of rectangles.
It throws me much more than it should.
In Ireland, we went metric in the 1980s, but people still measured distances in miles until the road signs went fully metric about 15 years ago. Now (older) people measure distances in time, because they can't remember the distance in miles and can't grep kms.
W.r.t language, culture and thought an interesting experience for me has been to learn German (been living in Berlin for 5 years). Germans have this reputation for being "rational", "organized", etc and while like any stereotype that is only true in a very limited way, the language shows a lot of this.
In particular, I find this in the grammar structure, where depending on tense, nesting of verbs, etc. the verb always has to go on a very specific position (often at the end). As a foreigner I often struggle with this, because it forces you to build the whole sentence in your head before you start speaking. You can not add stuff "on the way" because then you would have needed to put the verb in a different position. Of course my language is not very good, but I noticed that even native speakers make very small pauses between sentences. Likewise, as a listener, you should really not interrupt, often because vital information (e.g the verb) comes often at the end. This is also very ingrained in the culture (German kids are really told that its a total no-no to interrupt someone). In general, due to all this, I feel that discussions in German at least feel very rational and ideas are often eloquently and effectively conveyed.
In contrast, the Spanish grammar is completely flexible and words can be reordered very flexibly to convey different emphasis and subtle differences in subtext. One can add nested sentences forever in and endless ramble and often authors in both sides of the Atlantic use this with a great poetic effect. On the other hand, this means that arguments can be often expressed in much more chaotic manner, thinking along the way and just adding stuff as it comes to your mind. I am from the south of Spain, where people also add funny metaphors, remarks and comparisons all the time. Listeners will unapologetically interrupt you when they see fit, turning the discussion into a verbal war full of hyperbole and humor, that is a lyrical as it is not rational.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-different-cultures-unders...
It's one of the things I'm really hoping neuroscience can answer better before I die, because honestly the class gave me the impression that the entire field is incredibly contrived stuff like this.
My suspicion is that there's significant truth to it, but we still have such an awful understanding of cognition that almost all testable hypotheses we can imagine re: linguistic relativity are hopelessly naive. The only one that seemed really well founded to me was that Russian speakers distinguish shades of blue better because they have separate "light blue" and "dark blue" colors.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11759-russian-speaker...
In my family, we have the eternal 'coming in five minutes', which is never five minutes, but which may be anywhere from 12 minutes to never. Essentially it's a way of putting a future task on a queue which will be checked at an indeterminate time in the future. This doesn't exactly reflect a precise parsing of the phrase, which might be tempting for a linguist, but I do think that the way you express yourself in language and the way that language is understood by others affects the way you think and behave. The eternal five minutes definitely has a habit of making us late.
For example, telling time in Norwegian took me viewing time differently. English tends to place importance on the last whole hour that passed: Half past six, six thirty-five, six twenty. It isn't until we approach the next whole hour that we give it any credit: Quarter 'til seven.
Norwegian, on the other hand, seems to focus more on the "now" and the future, orientated around the nearest 15-minute mark and the next whole hour, only focusing on the hour that has passed for the first 15 minute. it is quite possible I've flubbed on the exact phrasing: While my Norwegian is on the upper end of adequate and passed the state tests, I am still far from truly fluent
6:20? Ten 'til half seven. 6:30? Half seven. 6:35? Five over half seven.
Use seems to be different by region. I once met somebody from western germany who was late by half an hour as he was not familiar with the "viertel neun" semantics. He claimed that only eastern germans would use that term.
What people say is stuff like "six twenty", "four fiftyfive" etc
I hear people say those all the time. Somewhat less with people under 30 or so.
> They only make sense on analog round clocks.
Actually, 10 minutes til <hour> makes perfect sense as a description of time independent of any mechanism of displaying the time.
It's not a natural way to read a digital clock, but not all discussion of time proceeds from reading clocks. Also, analog round wall clocks (and watches, and digital faces for smart watches that simulate them) still exist, and aren't that uncommon, taken together.
Many people are used to telling precise time from being insanely overworked all the time, so you need to say it is precisely 5:33 because 5:27 is a world of difference.
Didn't even keep reading the board after I spotted the 6:25 flight. It was the wrong one.
The very construct of how a different language presents that time may cause that perception to differ. At least that's how I think of it.
It's sometime amusing to use the "half past" or "quarter to" form but not with whole hours. E.g., if someone asks the time at 6:35, you say "quarter to 6:50" or "half past 6:05". It can perplex people. (Best to only do this with people who already know you are a twit...).
Is that 3:45, 4:15, or .25*4=1?
Also in current Dutch, at least as spoken in Belgium aka Flamish, we say "half twee" which means "half two" and refers to 1:30.
In Russian as I was taught in high-school they refer to the coming hour, like "15 minutes of 3" is 02h15.
New generation? My grandparents said things like "half past" and "quarter till" and they were born 100+ years ago.
I completely understand why it is confusing. It isn't limited to younger folks, however. The reason for this is simply because exact time often doesn't matter.
So, it's possible to say, for instance: „Jest dwadzieścia po” [It is twenty past X] or „Jest za dziesięć wpół do” [It is ten till half X], regarding your first example.
Ahorita in Spanish (USA) means something else from Spanish (Nicaragua) for example. If a Greyhound bus driver were to use that word to indicate the bus is departing "Ahorita", I would assume that to mean the next 10-15 minutes whereas in Nicaragua, I would have no idea if it means 10 minutes, 30 minutes or even 60 minutes, so my follow-up question would be, "Do you mean 15 minutes or less?" To me, this is more a cultural thing, not a linguistic thing since in fact the language in use is the same, i.e. Spanish. As another example, "later" (EN-US) is not the same as in EN-IN.
Or maybe I'm missing the point of the research entirely ...
Edit: ohh my gosh I just remembered another case where it's used for past events:
- Perdí mis llaves (I lost my keys)
- ¿Cuándo? (When?)
- Ahorita (Just a few seconds/minutes ago)
Same in english, no?
Or "shortly". Heard that one a lot. We'll be departing shortly. Which could be 2 minutes or 15 minutes, or something in between.
The research suggests that the language you're using in a given context may control how you see that notion, in that context.
The jump to the conclusion is certain far-fetched, and it's a question of habit, practice and context rather than "experiencing" anything differently.
http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/newsrel/soc/backsfuture06.a...
Mother tongue may determine maths skills [0]
Does the Language I Speak Influence the Way I Think? [1]
[0]: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9422-mother-tongue-ma...
[1]: http://www.linguisticsociety.org/content/does-language-i-spe...
The Chinese speaker group is most likely made exclusively of Han people while the English one may be racially more diverse but probably mostly non East-Asian people. So basically it compares groups that have an average IQ difference of at least 5 points and that may explain the math advantage of Chinese "speaker".
To avoid that issue this kind of study should use groups of people of some A origin rise in A and B language environment (like Asian Born Chinese speaking exclusively English vs Chinese speaker from China).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity
[2] https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-main-criticisms-of-Whorfs...
But I'm not sure how much of this hypothetical difference is due to cultural differences assimilated into each part of my mind through differences in exposure via the two languages, vs the languages themselves. A worthwhile distinction imo.
There's a definite link between language and cognition: e.g. semantic priming effects. Clearly if we're able to be convinced by verbal argumentation, it follows that language can (in some sense) shape cognition.
Where NLP becomes a pseudoscience is when it's presented as therapeutic, or at least as systematically therapeutic. In other words, the first principles of NLP are (generally) sound. The application is not.
I looked into scientific backing just now - seems its therapeutic effect is mostly not backed by science. Ie it doesn't cure phobias, as it says it does. Then again, I would have to look at those 18% of studies that DO show an effect, and see if they are doing something different than the ones that don't show an effect (NLP can mean a lot of things).
https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/ppb.2010.41.issue-2/v10059-...
Interestingly a couple of languages I know depict time in distance as well as sizes depending on the context.
Except when they say (yuck!!) "monolingual" -- a horrible neologism that of course isn't.
Furthermore, the distinction in linguistics between "-glot" and "-lingual" is that "-lingual" is used in reference to native language(s) whereas "-glot" is used about the languages a person is able to speak at a given level without them necessarily being native languages.
So — to a linguist at least — you can be a monolingual polyglot if you have one native language but e.g. conversational knowledge of 4 other languages.
I don't have to work to "translate" between these innate collections of ideas to spoken language, it happens automatically.
Some people tell me their inner thoughts are in a certain language, but that's not the case for me.
So I would like a clarification. Do you "think in a language"?
I wonder if there's any truth in what it suggests, or if its just scifi mumbo jumbo.
[1] "see" the future.
Nothing "mumbo jumbo" about it.
Time probably is linear for us in the real world, or else can only be perceived as linear by us wholly corporeal beings. Unless Roger Penrose is right and we have wibbly-wobbly, quantum-wantum stuff going on in our brains, which I doubt.
In Brazil, when you were supposed to meet a friend at a certain time and they aren't there, you call/text them and ask where they are. They'll usually say: "já estou saindo" (I'm leaving already [from their house]), but according to the cultural norms, this actually often means "I haven't left yet and I'm getting ready, or thinking about getting ready".
Likewise, if you're out and about, and pass by some acquaintances, you make quick chit-chat to be nice and then make plans to get together next weekend. Both parties generally know this will not happen, and it's only being said for appearances.
This leads to a joke I like to imagine where situation 2 leads to situation 1. That is, "let's meet up next weekend!" and the response, "Ok, I'm leaving my house already". Everyone knows it's BS but they say it anyways.
If you feel that this is morally reprehensible, you might also be able to find it from your nearest university library.
6 min TED talk that covers some of the ideas in the book https://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_prescribes_a_healt...