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But these terms make some amount of intuitive sense on YouTube or Spotify. I don't have to know anything about YouTube or Spotify other than they deal with video clips and music to have a decent idea what a 'track', 'video', 'channel', 'playlist' might mean. These terms don't translate that well to 'notes', though.

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Kobble can be used for much more than just notes. You organize 'tracks', which are more like projects. Tracks can contain notes, but also more meaningful content. Anything you can create with markdown (plus links, etc.)

If they are just like projects, then call them projects. You're using music and video names for paper analog components. You're spending a lot of time defending the naming here. I'd recommend taking notes, and changing the naming. Also, add some mechanism where I can just hit a + button or something, and can start adding a note right away. I don't want to have to immediately organize all notes into a draconian structure. I just need to quickly record something for later use. I feel that should be a primary function of a notes app. Pretty is secondary to function, and the functionality of this is complex and obscure.

In the (desktop) editor [quiver] that I use, all new note go into a notebook called "Inbox". I can start writing immediately and later move it a more appropriate notebook.

[quiver]: http://happenapps.com/#quiver

Also, check out http://standardnotes.org/

Fair enough. Naming is hard. Even 'project' has connotations.

So, uh, why are you introducing it as a notes app?

You've got a good start to something; take two steps back, consume and digest the feedback you're getting, then use it to better your approach.

Good point. There is only so much you can say in one line on HN. Marketing is tough. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Trying to do many things is a classic early mistake. Instead of being a great app for one thing you become a mediocre app for lots of things.

First make a notes app that people love. This will be harder than you think. Once you've done that and have enthusiastic users it will be much easier to move into other areas.

>First make a notes app that people love. This will be harder than you think. Once you've done that and have enthusiastic users it will be much easier to move into other areas.

Hasn't this been the Evernote Recipe For Disaster?

When your users tell you otherwise, maybe it's not prudent to insist on terminology choice?

Fair enough. Didn't mean to come across as insisting. There was much debate about the term track. Project is closer, but has problems also. Cheers.

Yeah, don't want to come of as bullish. Just that I agree with the general sentiment on this comments, that this terminology probably overcomplicates things for no reason.

Better to slightly misuse/expand an existing know term like projects or notebooks to cover more than it does now, than to invent a new term that covers all the meanings that apply, but whose meaning is initially unfamiliar to people.

bullish?

bullish adjective 1. aggressively confident and self-assertive.

E.g. "my way is da best, you should do WHAT I SAY"

Not... really.

That's one of the definitions for the bullish lemma from the Oxford Dictionary.

Along with "Of or pertaining to papal bulls".

Which is also a valid use case.

Though the one I listed is the first lemma.

We appreciate all the comments. We'll think about this.

I like the app, but the terminology is confusing. For me and a lot of other people, a track is the lowest level of a music app. People think of it as an atomic unit. Making it a project will confuse most people as no one thinks of it as a project or folder. I assumed a track was a note. If it is a project, a. more appropriate name would be album or collection.

Also, it's inconsistent. Youtube organizes channels because it is a video app and people coming from tv immediately understand. Spotify uses tracks because it is a music app and the term track has been synonomous with song since probably the first record player.

Its a good try, but just mashing up two concepts into one causes confusion

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