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Java also has JavaFX, which comes with an embedded Webkit browser. I can create my UI with React, or any other HTML/CSS/JS library, and make it interact with code written in Java, Scala, Groovy, Clojure, Kotlin, Ceylon, Frege, etc. very easily. I think this provides all the benefits of Electron, but is even more flexible and powerful.

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Do you need to run N programs on N copies of Chrome with JavaFX or use a single VM like all JVM apps do? Because that's the problem with Electron mentioned in the article and that's exactly one place where JVM languages are better.

add nashorn so you have a spare javascript vm just in case...

Yet, this is not as popular as electron. Ask yourself why.

This is basically a terrible argument in and of itself you would do better to flesh out why yourself instead of expecting everyone to conclude your self evident correctness.

Too many JS/web programmers that's why. Plus JS/web programming is way easier and more popular than most of the JVM languages.

i'd guess that there are a variety of things to consider. do you actually have anything to say?

> code written in Java, Scala, Groovy, Clojure, Kotlin, Ceylon, Frege, etc

Your list of 7 JVM languages (both here and in your earlier comment on this submission) seems to be from most widely used to least. Yet in your HN comment from 2 days ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14068664 you ordered that list differently, i.e. "Java, Scala, Clojure, Groovy, Kotlin, Ceylon, Frege, etc". Have you changed your mind about the relative adoption of Clojure and Apache Groovy in the last two days?

Not really. Actually, however, there is a recent survey that shows that Groovy is the second most popular language on the JVM, behind Java. Myself, I use Scala, and would like to learn Frege.

Groovy is a quite lovely dynamic language and it's actually the best solution for BDD using Spock. Sadly I still didn't find anything comparable for BDD in all the languages that I use.

> Groovy is a quite lovely dynamic language and it's actually the best solution for BDD using Spock

There's something wrong when a testing framework hacks into a language parser to make the language statement labels have special meanings like function names do, and overload the `|` operator in expressions so data will appear as a table in the source code. "Lovely" isn't the word for that sort of thing.

It's a DSL. And it works very well also because of these operator overloads.

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