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You'll be shocked when you turn 30 that you can do all of those things in your 30's (and I suspect your 40's, 50's, and on...)

:)

thank you!

"Just saying. The 20s are ment to have fun, get laid, drink booze, write some code, then go out again. You wont be 20some again, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to enjoy life (and start something at the same time)."

And for those of us that have no interest in several of these things that are allegedly essential to "enjoying life" in one's 20s?

It is what you make it. I know plenty of people in the area who seem to have a good amount of fun. But it's always possible to go live in the city if you find the hard life too difficult to find in the valley.

But an attitude that dwells on thoughts like ". . . but unfortunately it is wasted with this boring sprawling burbs" could probably suck the life right out of almost any experience.

You can always go to San Francisco when you feel bored. I lived in Menlo Park last year and did just that.

But I think that the Bay area offers different kinds of fun things to do like hiking (have you been to black mountain? it's beautiful) and biking.

I live in MTV. I'll buy you a beer.

We should do a HN meetup (doesn't have to be startup-specific).

Some of us meet up at Molly Magees from time to time.

Yeah, Mountain View sucks, but that's easily fixed: just move to SF or Berkeley.