Can we please stop promoting this stupid meme that education is entirely about controlling people and making them docile? It's not. It's about education.
The idea that children 'do homework until midnight' is similarly stupid.
The idea that children 'do homework until midnight' is similarly stupid.
It's education when at the end of school the students have comprehensive education. Right now curriculums are skewed waaaay too far in the direction of "only what the economy will need", but stuff like basic life skills - e.g. cooking (only taught in the lowest-grade school track in Germany), basic house maintenance (how to operate a power drill, what wall plugs to use for which wall type, how to unclog a sewer, how to properly secure and wire lighting fixtures), doing a tax return or the core concepts on how to start a company, or what insurances exist only to rip you off ("vet insurance" comes to my mind out of own experience, most do not cover operations which can get really expensive really fast) - falls down.
> The idea that children 'do homework until midnight' is similarly stupid.
It's not an "idea", it's reality, and a nightmare. Especially when additional tutoring before tests is involved. Then it's learning even over the weekends. (source: know a tutor, and she could likely tell you more horror stories than I could submit here in a lifetime)
And then you go on to list a bunch of things that have absolutely nothing to do with education. Cooking, house maintenance, etc. are (and should be) taught by your parents. Nobody needs to 'do a tax return' unless they actually start a company, and it's not exactly difficult. The vast majority of people will never file a tax return, why would they? That's what PAYE is for.
Starting a company? Again, this is something that is very easy. You do not need to have a high school course on how to start a company. It's a very easy thing to do, and completely and utterly irrelevant to the 99% of people that will never start a company.
>It's not an "idea", it's reality, and a nightmare. Especially when additional tutoring before tests is involved. Then it's learning even over the weekends. (source: know a tutor, and she could likely tell you more horror stories than I could submit here in a lifetime)
No, it isn't. Stop assuming that everywhere in the world is California.
lol, how are parents supposed to do this when they're either both working two jobs to make rent, or actually too incompetent? Kids shouldn't suffer for their parents being stupid.
> Nobody needs to 'do a tax return' unless they actually start a company, and it's not exactly difficult.
In Germany it's next to mandatory to make a tax return, at least you can save really huge amounts of money by doing so. Once again the failure of schools to teach this primarily hits kids with incompetent parents.
> You do not need to have a high school course on how to start a company. It's a very easy thing to do
It's not, and the only thing that's easy is to mess up and land yourself into mountains of debt.
> No, it isn't. Stop assuming that everywhere in the world is California.
I'm German. And you should stop assuming that parents are competent enough (and especially, have the time!) to teach their kids everything that the hypermodernized world requires.
My parents were better positioned to teach us calculus than cleaning.
It states right there that schools should be mandatory and mandatory teach about the UN. And in another section of the document it says rights are "universal" to people that aren't against UN interests.
Many countries happily follow these "guidelines" in the school sense... how is that education?
From my personal experience school was just a indoctrination tool, to make people subservient to state, employers and the UN. All useful stuff I learned, even decent basic maths and language was learned outside school (example: my parents taught me maths, my grandmother taught me how to read and write, I learned English, Lua, C, etc... on my own, learned physics and chemistry by reading books)
Which proves only one point: that you had the advantage of an extremely interested, caring and knowledgeable family.
Many people, especially PoC and "poor people", do not have this advantage (be it because parents or other family are locked up in jails, or because parents have to both work two jobs in order to make rent) - public schools are the only education resource for kids in these families. We as a society must not let them down or we will face the harsh consequences in the future.
>From my personal experience school was just a indoctrination tool, to make people subservient to state, employers and the UN. All useful stuff I learned, even decent basic maths and language was learned outside school (example: my parents taught me maths, my grandmother taught me how to read and write, I learned English, Lua, C, etc... on my own, learned physics and chemistry by reading books)
That's because you have convinced yourself that it's all just indoctrination, man.
It's not an idea. It's commonplace fact (at least in the US). When I was in school, it was very commonplace for teachers to assign an absurd amount of busy-work to take home, and for kids to have several extracurricular activities immediately after school.
The average schedule for a student at my high school consisted of a 7 hour block (including 30min-1hour lunch), then 2-3 hours of whatever sport (or other organized activity) they were a part of, then (if they actually did it) 2-4 hours of homework.
It may be about education, but the totalitarian system that has been created is very controlling, and very stressful.
You are continuing under the assumption that I am taking about any education system outside of the US. Even so, looking through the comments here, I see very similar sentiment from someone in Germany, so it seems likely to me that we are not alone.
The idea that children should do homework until midnight is stupid, and instances quite arguably a bug report against the educational system in question. No one has asserted that that is all systems.