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Another milk that lasts months is soy milk. Nutritionally superior and cruelty free!

Sure, if you don't think mass deforestation is cruel... Brazil is one of the biggest soy exporters in the world, and large swathes of rain forest and cerrado (savanna) have given way to soy farms.

http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/footprint/agriculture/soy/co...

More than 85% of soy grown is for non-human animal consumption. Animal agriculture in Brazil is the leading cause of Amazon deforestation, likewise, animal agriculture in Argentina.

I'm not even sure if you've read the source you've given as it states the same.

Not to mention that most soy humans consume is non-GMO (which excludes practically everything from Argentina and Brazil), and that soy is grown in China, and for example in suprisingly large quantities in Serbia. So it's not even necessary to cut rainforests.

Actually, soy milk competes with oil in grain use.

What goes to feeding animals is mostly what remains after extracting the (more expensive) products destined to human consumption.

Besides, Brazilian animal agriculture does not use much soy. It would even shrink in area if it started using more.

This is unbelievably silly and entirely disingenuous because the deforestation is happening in order to feed cattle, not humans. Deforestation is a reason to switch to soymilk not avoid it.

I mean, you literally linked to an article that says

>Therefore, most of the world’s soybeans are consumed indirectly by humans through products like meat (chicken, pork and beef), dairy, eggs and farmed fish. People also directly consume soybeans in tofu, soy sauce, meat substitutes and other soy products... Limiting consumption of animal-based food products, particularly meat, is one thing people can do to help end this devastating trend.

to advocate for not switching to a plant based alternative.

I'll just piggy back this comment to add that there's a whole world of milk alternatives too if you're worried about the ethics and don't like soy.

I'm not keen on soy but use coconut milk. Others I know prefer almond milk or oat milk. Probably took about 3 weeks to get used to but now I definitely prefer it.

http://www.perfectdayfoods.com/

There's also milk made with casein protein and all the goodies from original cow milk, but without the cows.

Also has a fairly long shelf life.

Wow, I'd never heard of that. Looks really interesting!

I didn't know this existed. I have a weird fascination with replacement foods - not so much of the nutrition shake variety, but things just like this. I don't mind drinking cows milk, but if I saw this in the store I'd have to try it. Thanks muchly.

And phytoestrogens for that nice warped hormonal balance... No thanks.

Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis.

http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(09)00966-2/fullt...

Good thing we've got science to reinforce our claims.

Not to mention the fact that you're drinking milk from a lactating female filled with animal estrogen yet you worry about plant estrogen.

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