I Built a Bot to Apply to Thousands of Jobs at Once
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Did he scrape LinkedIn? I would say no, LinkedIn has a high level of understanding what bots are. Did he scrape some random websites? How did he apply to a different number of jobs in two different versions of the software? Was the whatever job posting his bot was looking at drastically changing the number of open positions or something?
Also, how did he tweak the input over time? Did he had some set of, let's say, 10 different versions of the resume and the cover letter, and then the bot just chose one randomly or was there something else?
There's so many things I'm unable to figure out on the technical side from the article that I'm leaning towards this whole "I built a bot" thing is an over-exaggeration from the author to get the message across.
There's a mandatory job posting requirement to hire H1Bs - at the worksite -.
A Sunday newspaper job posting needs to happen for the green card process.
Next to this, we have grown the team by moving over employees from other departments asking for internal transfers, these have about the same success rate as external applicants.
And then there are referrals from people who already work in the department (can be for people who already work for the company). The success rate on these candidates is indeed higher. I think this is because the person referring them has already thought about whether the person referred is a fit or not. We give them the same interview process, and don't always tell the interviewer that the candidate is a referral.
That said, I see 3 things that might push the reality closer to what you said "most jobs are filled through referrals".:
1. If you're hiring only a few people, the statistics will probably bias towards referrals. It is easy to get a few referrals for a specific position if you need them.
2. Referrals might end up on the desk of the hiring manager earlier (e.g. from employee to hiring manager) compared to an official application (webform to recruiting to manager). Sometimes we can close a position before the first resumes from recruiting even land on my desk.
3. As jobs get more senior, a hiring mistake becomes more expensive, and in that sense hiring a strong referral is on average going to reduce this risk. So, for higher level jobs I think indeed that many are filled through networking or targeted reach-outs rather than open applications.
> I'm not sure how many resumes never make it past recruiting
I've asked the recruiters at my company about this (we hired roughly similar numbers). Their response was that they filter a surprising number of applicants, but they are almost always from people who are completely unqualified for the job. The referral helps fast track them through this, but it doesn't provide much more than getting their foot in the door.
"Dear Sir or Madam,
<generic blob of text>
Sincerely, <applicant name>"
If you're someone like google or in a very specific niche that I'd like to be in then I'd write a cover letter, but that is not most jobs.
Getting a good job is hard, and you can't always tell from the outside if a job is one you'd want. It doesn't take much time to show genuine interest in any opportunity that's worth applying to, no matter how prestigious the company may be.
"I wrote one of the open source packages you use!"
"You make software used in my toaster!"
"Your office it two blocks from my house!"
When I was a junior, I wrote cover letters for every job. Now that I'm senior, I haven't written one in years and get more callbacks than ever before.
Still, one could argue that flirting w/ the company a bit at the point you make a first impression, possibly in a cover letter, is in your best interests. If someone needs you, they'll offer to pay what they need to. If someone wants you, they'll pay whatever it takes to retain you. Sometimes those numbers are the same. But if a company would be willing to go the extra mile to make you happy, and you give them no reason to feel that way, you're leaving money on the table.
Unfortunately even that oversimplifies the actual situation - there is not one type of job and there is not one type of organisation hiring.
The higher up the ladder you go the less likely it becomes that you would get a job based on your resume / skills alone. You will need an endorsement of some kind that might come from inside the company or through a trusted external referrer (e.g. a specialised senior / executive placement agency aka head hunter used by the company for pre-selecting candidates - sometimes this is visible when the agency is advertising the role, sometimes not when the role is advertised under the company name).
Many of these roles are still advertised like other roles mainly to follow process - advertising every vacancy to the public is almost always a step to tick off in hiring processes.
While some companies - mostly fast growing or start-ups - are more open to "outsiders", in others the public advertising while still providing some transparency has long become a complete illusion.
My most extreme examples here would be with government agencies for permanent senior or above roles. This can be best demonstrated with United Nations post advertising.
The UN has a series of job boards where the public can apply to any of the jobs and all posts vacant should be on these (not sure if they still include the most senior ones - you normally find these in the Economist).
What they don't tell you is that a lot of them only take internal candidates and are not really open to external applicants - this can go that far that even staff members from other UN agencies wont through the first selection round when applying.
Other (non-professional) jobs might only be filled locally, e.g. if you would be in the UK and the job is in Switzerland don't bother...
After that, applying for senior posts when you are not "part of the system" is a completely useless endeavour. Here even skills seem to become secondary - with most of them you will have to be endorsed by your government. There might be a very small number of people that made it onto senior posts in the last 10-15 years without government endorsement, but tmk all of them had very strong internal / organisation support behind them. And most of them had an enormously hard time to fight off the "cronies" after they got the post - no surprise that even less survived the first 2 years.
Overall, job boards might be a good starting point for entry level positions or contract work. It helps you to identify potential opportunities, but there is normally no direct road to get a job from the advert alone.
Often you have a better chance to apply directly on the company web sites, or on sites like Kaggle or HackerRank.
Most importantly you need to find a way to stick out from the crowd.
(And I fully expect commission-renumerated recruiters are doing this pro-actively without even having any candidates yet to get ever-so-slightly-warmer intros than their cow orkers...)
> Referrals are the minority of applicants but are five times more likely to be hired.
From the article:
P(referral) = 0.06
P(non-referral) = 0.94
P(referral|hired) = 0.29
P(non-referral|hired) = 0.71
What we're looking for is P(hired|referral) / P(hired|non-referral) = ?
So reversing the two known conditionals, and dividing to eliminate the unknown probability for P(hired): P(hired|referral) = P(referral|hired) * P(hired) / P(referral)
P(hired|non-referral) = P(non-referral|hired) * P(hired) / P(non-referral)
P(hired|referral) / P(hired|non-referral)
= P(referral|hired) / P(non-referral|hired) * P(non-referral) / P(referral)
= 0.40845 * 15.667 = 6.3991
Referrals are actually 6.4 times as likely to be hired. This is why stat and math classes are important, journalists.> By targeting internet companies in particular, I’d chosen an industry with a high likelihood of reliance on resume-processing algorithms.
Internet companies hire knowledge workers/creative types/snowflakes.
By contrast banks, insurance companies and departments like call center hire armies of drones.
You are much more likely to find automated resume analysis in the latter, it works much better there.
It's like hiring an NFL player.. you get the talent you pay for (sometimes)
An attitude like that will get you filtered out as not a culture match in a lot of places.
There are people who are able to work with people who do not much their culture perfectly, you know. There are even people who like working with people of differing experience levels instead of perpetuating their frat boy days well into their thirties; do you believe it?
It's the unwritten rules of professional jobs i.e. read a broadsheet and not a tabloid paper - this is what the infamous "The Unofficial Goldman Sachs Guide To Being A Man" is all about.
BTW I went to a bog standard comprehensive and did not go to Uni
Would you suggest a surgeon is just a tradesman after it just cutting meat so its totally like a butcher.
Banks hire knowledge workers/creative types/snowflakes.
In fact, they hire the absolute best-credentialed and most-experienced in the market. Our receptionists, mail and facilities staff at minimum had a Masters degree, went to a Tier 1 school and did something very interesting/exceptional with their off-time.
They just try to turn them into drones via compensation schemes and internal politics.
Our receptionists, mail and facilities staff at
minimum had a Masters degree, went to a Tier 1 school
I'm curious as to how you convinced such people to take such jobs?I would have thought it would be difficult to convince a graduate from an Ivy League university or similar to take a janitorial job?
It's a situation a lot of us here forget or don't even know exists.
This was a highly-regarded financial.
Good candidates should get offers quickly.
Thus, the best way to get a good job is to be there the moment it's posted (or even better, before)
The dual is true for candidates, too.
There are good jobs for every individual at every stage of their life. Are they all the same?
Some like shit for salary while getting the thrill of being a cofounder, some may like a flashy brand and half the comp in stock, others might prefer a lesser brand but more cash. There are also boring 9-5 jobs that leave tons of time to be with the family. Which one is a "good job"?
You can't start networking if your baseline of knowing anyone is 0. For example, I know of 0 people in the finance industry. The barrier to entry for me to start networking in it is orders of magnitude higher than sending out cold applications online.
This is additionally compounded that networking is extremely dependent on factors entirely unrelated to your actual skills: attractiveness, charisma, social skills, class signaling, quite possibly race and sex.
And you wonder why people don't "just network!".
The best thing, as the article admits, is simply to know people inside an organization that you want to work for. There's no better or more reliable way to get a foot in the door. You achieve that by networking like crazy and just getting to know lots of people. Go to every conference and industry event that you can, talk to lots of people there, get active in entrepreneurial groups (in Massachusetts it's Enet and MITEF among others) and keep your LinkedIn profile updated. You never know when that casual conversation around the coffee urn turns into a more serious discussion that can lead to a job offer. I've seen it many times.
The next best practice, at least with larger traditional companies, is to cultivate a good recruiter or two, do a couple of contracting gigs and earn a reputation as a reliable worker, and then they will enthusiastically promote you to hiring managers. Stay away from the crappy, sleazy recruiters - you can recognize them from their spam, lack of response to inquiries, lack of track record. Go with one that has an industry track record and a reputation to protect.
A bot to apply to thousands of jobs? It's a bit of a joke, really. The guy didn't get an offer so that tells you how much that effort was worth.
With some companies it can take months before being noticed once you've applied online, but there's been a few cases where I could apply in just one click and get contacted by a recruiter the same day!
Admittedly, I assume my experience might have been different if I applied for jobs at early stage startups.
Of course, there's also the matter that if you keep it up, your name is going to be instantly associated with application spam and probably blacklisted.
I have to disagree that Bolles entirely agrees with the conclusion of the article - he takes a more holistic view of jobhunting.