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> will attract bad developers and developers from third-world countries, who are going to bring bid offers down and push away good developers and developers from first-world countries.

What's the inherent problem with 'developers from third-world countries'?

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The problem is that for a normal country, coding isn't such an attractive career in general. It makes about the same money as every other engineering field (and less than many, like architectural engineering) requiring similar qualifications, and in many ways more exhaustive/painful, so only reason why you may want to be a coder in say UK is to love coding, then your hobby becomes your job. Hiring a British developer, you may be more or less certain you aren't working with a cynical milkman.

In poor countries, coding is usually the only way out of extreme poverty, unless you are born into right family. What other good careers are available in India that beat freelance coding at average ($30/h) rates? So, it attracts people who are simply after money and nothing else, they practice squeezing their clients dry and doing all kinds of tricks more than they practice coding. Because they give no shit about coding.

Huh? I'm coding in the UK (contracting) and find i earn in the top 10% of the country?

Thing is, contractors in places like Ukraine or India are in top 1%, and scamsters who have covert teams are in 0.1%.

Are you sure about the 30$/hr figure for people escaping extreme poverty?

30$/hr is rich in India, so it's not surprising there aren't better rates.

30$×8×20×65 = 3.2 lakhs per month = 37 lakhs per annum (average Indian makes somewhere of the order of magnitude of 1 lakh per annum).

For reference, in /r/india (on Reddit--not representative of the average Indian) a person posted about how they were struggling to live with 1.6 lakhs per month, and that became a meme.

This is exactly my point. Programmer in a developed country makes about 3x the average salary and about 1-1.5x the average salary of someone having a college degree. Programmer in India makes 37x average salaries. So, in a developed country you don't go into development after money (or if you do, you start your own startups, because you are definitely not going to get rich coding for cash). In India, you go exactly after money and nothing else, because the scale of money you get eclipse everything else. If i was able to get 37x the average salary, moral barriers in my work will seem a lot lower to me.

I assume exactly what that quote said. They bring down prices.

A developer-review system could handle the possibility of low quality work from savage devs, whether they reside in the Western hemisphere or anywhere else. 2 bad reviews and you're out. Actually, after the first bad review, should be very difficult to get a job again.

I suppose there's a correlation between country of residence and education/communication skills.

Perhaps the fact that they can afford to charge $5/h instead of 80..?

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