Lockheed Martin completes new battle laser for U.S. military
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There's been a lot of noise about whether aircraft carriers and other capital ships are viable at all in the face of high-speed anti-ship missiles. Intercepting them with CIWS and counter-missiles is dicey, but a good laser system could make anti-ship missiles useless.
On the other hand, you have to wonder if operating aircraft at all might become non-viable if your enemy has weapons like that. Speed might become much less important and stealth much more important.
If your target is ducking behind waves and goes from beyond the horizon to onto of you fast enough, that would be pretty good against a laser probably?
There are also things like rail guns, which might be harder to intercept with a laser.
A rail gun: If I shoot a laser at a missile, I can detonate the warhead, or the propellant, or destroy the guidance system. If I fire it at a railgun projectile, I can vaporize the whole thing, or I can vaporize part of it and hope that it changes the course due to either ablation forces or changing the aerodynamics. That's harder. On the other hand, a railgun isn't really a precision weapon, either.
You know, I think you'd just see a radical re-design in that case, you'd have to; like the Zumwalt, only more armored.
Of course, such a good laser system could make the aircraft, missiles, and landing craft launched from aircraft carriers, assault ships, and major surface combatants useless, too, at which point the survivability of the ships themsleves is something of a moot point.
A few days ago there was an article about a US ally shooting down a ~$200 drone with a ~$3M Patriot missile, which is a great trade for the attacker in that scenario (like a pawn for a rook). Even assuming that there's some kind of coating that makes a missile laser resistant by dramatically reducing absorptivity in the spectra of concern, it's bound to have tradeoffs- likely in the form of expense, weight, or increased vulnerability to sensors.
Moreover, if battlefield lasers follow the growth-curve of most other technologies, they will quickly reach a point where, not only is adding power to the lasers easier than adding armor to the missiles, the amount of additional mass required becomes infeasible.
Even something as comparatively small and practical as the Boston Dynamics robots have failed to gain traction; years after even being in actual service for testing with the military, LS3 has been literally shelved because it's just not useful.
One of the funniest battle mecha scenes is from Pacific Rim (which is chock-full of stupidity) where the one mecha is just a crappy missile delivery system. Once it's waded half way out to sea and spent its missiles in about two seconds, it's bloody useless. Why didn't they rather spend the cash on other, more sensible launch platforms that could deliver orders of magnitude more firepower using the same kind of missiles? Or why not just attack the alien things much further away from shore with torpedoes launched from fighter jets? Or why not just launch nuclear-tipped torpedoes down the portal hole? (Well, it would be a boring movie, that's why.)
Yay F-35!
Don't know how effective it would be, since it's not the primary goal of such system.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_Wea...
The difference here is Lockheed knows why they're developing this technology, in Real Genius they were being tricked.
The US had a 2.2MW continuous laser, the MIRACL, in the 1980s, but it was a chemical laser that used large quantities of deuterium fluoride, was building-sized, and broke down frequently. The newer lasers are solid-state devices.
I'm really not getting your point on the context here. The actual effects of this on a real target will depend on a huge number of variables (I bet it's great against stealth things, but cheap drones will start using aluminum paint).
> > > So, is now when everyone starts to put mirrors on their missiles, tanks, and aircraft?
> > ...
> It melts.
That's their point: mirrors don't magic away lasers. Dismissing this weapon with a simple "but mirrors!" is foolish.
They do. That's exactly the point. Or, more specifically, if your laser is so strong that mirrors can't handle it, you can't also generate it because you need mirrors for that too.
It's just that you can't use them everywhere. It may be useful to ask where mirrors can viably go, and where they can't, but discussing the effects on mirrors won't lead anywhere.
To address another commenter's point, it would not set off explosive reactive armor (ERA). While I don't have detailed information on the ERA compositions in common use, the constraints at hand effectively necessitate the use of relatively insensitive plastic explosives, broadly similar in characteristics to the well-understood C4. Such explosives require a shock wave, provided by a special device or (in the case of ERA) by the impact of a shaped charge, to detonate; heat and fire will not set them off. (Vietnam-era American soldiers burned pieces of C4 from Claymore mine charges as cooking fuel. The smoke was toxic, but that was the only danger.)
You need a composition like this for ERA because it is not an actively controlled system. It's not as though there is a computer in the tank which detects an impact and detonates the corresponding ERA segments; the physical processes of such impacts play out far too quickly for such active control to work. ERA therefore has to work on a purely physical basis if it's going to work at all, and that means you need to use an explosive susceptible to detonation on impact. But you don't want an explosive that's very sensitive to impact, or to heat or fire, because you don't want to waste ERA or unnecessarily endanger infantry operating near the tank. (ERA's dangerous enough already that way without giving it a hair trigger!)
So it's already not all that plausible that a beam like this might transfer enough energy, even on direct impact with a mass of such explosive, to set it off. But the impact won't be direct, because ERA isn't constructed of bare explosive blocks; there's always going to be a layer of metal, not armor but still relatively thick, between the explosive and the outside environment. This structure would intervene between the explosive and the beam, and would dissipate the transfer energy as heat. That might eventually set the underlying explosive on fire, but, for the reasons we've already covered, it would not cause a detonation.
I'm thinking dust storms, rain, and fog — anything that puts droplets/dirt in the beam path is going to scatter/absorb energy.
Which brings us back to the old staple of warfare, the smokescreen.
I wondered if they might make for a sort of 'fog plow' which would burn away the fog but the volume of air you would need to heat to keep a road cleared is rather huge.
Dust, and in particular volcanic ash (which is basically glass shards) are more of an issue. It raises the question of whether a missile could eject a powder to mitigate laser power landing on the missile.
[1] http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/volcanicash/03_NASADC8AshD...
One could ask the very same thing about WWI era aircraft. Look at where we are today.
Presumably there would other defense systems to fall back on during adverse weather. Even if this first-generation laser system worked well only on days where it wasn't raining, that would still represent an enormous cost savings.
I thought they were at most $50k a piece. This is unbelievable.
Is anyone at liberty to talk about overhead and profit margins for these kind of systems? I previously worked for a related business which precludes me from giving numbers.
The laser weapon might not have a per-shot profit margin. Though they can build that into the service contract...
I haven't worked with Government or their suppliers, but I have worked for a large company that did a lot of manufacturing of semi-exotic stuff, and their procurements demands were completely irrational. They didn't want to maintain an inventory of parts that were complex to manufacture, but required that they be available to purchase on short notice without any kind of contract or schedule, and were willing to pay any price to get that. So suppliers sprang up to hold these parts in inventory for them and supply them on-demand at vastly marked up prices, to cover their costs of maintaining the inventory. I'm not sure if any explicit corruption was involved in setting that up, but that's the kind of thing that tends to happen at large organizations.
Then again, even if there wasn't any explicit corruption when setting these things up, it tends to happen later on as suppliers get established and try to bend the customer into having even more bizzare procurement rules, so that no other company could possibly comply with them and take their business.
So the policy of most developed nations' militaries is "come with whatever you've got" and don't plan on building more kit until it's over.
For example WWII started with months of "phoney war" where both sides moved onto a war footing, followed by a short violent blitzkrieg.
WWII is also shows powers capable of exercising restraint, even Hitler, conducting a war he was obviously losing, opted to not use chemical weapons. WWIII could be fought in a couple of hours or it could go on for years with neither side willing to press the biggest button.
(Source: http://www.fi-aeroweb.com/Defense/Patriot-PAC-3-MSE.html)
Sounds like this "General" was making an embellished hypothetical example of why this laser system is useful.
If it's the part about him saying it, here's the youtube video[0] of a 4-star general in the US Army (Gen. David Perkins) making that claim.
And he's not advocating for lasers (it's unrelated to this article), he's advocating for alternative options, and mentions cyber and something like "sema?".
As far as could the patriot hit it, I would think the hard part would be tracking it. No idea what the RCS looks like on a quadcopter vs., say, a stealthy cruise missile.
As far as threats for use in asymmetric warfare, we've seen cheap drones that are used for recon, and we've seen them used to drop ordnance.
0 - https://youtu.be/6v7nfB5bV3E?t=14m54s
Edit: here's a link to a picture of an ISIS-modified drone used to drop grenades: https://twitter.com/AlexMello02/status/819259288950624256/ph...
Still, I don't see how that's justifiable even if they can drop grenades. They won't be able to do it very effectively, and in fact if it's close enough to drop a grenade on troops you probably don't want to be detonating a Patriot missile in the same area.
What about from LEO or from space? Would the atmospheric layers or other factors affect the operation of a laser weapon possibly fired from space to Earth?
(Most of us are curious about the possibility of sharks with lasers on their heads, but would be strongly discouraged from asking directly.)
Not a physicist, but as I understand the optimal wavelengths for underwater use would be substantially different than for use it atmosphere, and with similar output effective ranges will be much shorter, but there is no fundamental reason why you can't have underwater laser weapons.
Even at optimal wavelenghts and clean water, seawater absorbs/scatters light so much more strongly than air that underwater laser weapons are pretty much infeasible. The best wavelength is blue-green-ish, but even there you lose 5% intensity per meter (the loss is exponential in distance).
Amortized over a few million shots.
Think about a plane that fires missiles, for example. This would be saying that the missile costs $1 million. That's per missile. It's not saying that, after enough missiles, we also have paid for the plane.
For instance, stick it on a drone and use it to weed a field from 1000 ft?