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Issues of H1-B Visa abuse aside, I think this guy was trying to stop legal immigration: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/kent-shooting...

I don't think articles like "Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups" are all about anti-Trump, it's more like pointing out to the American public that immigrants are not a tax on the rest of society.

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Not true. 70% of Somalians in The Netherlands are still on welfare after 2 years. Most other Africans, most Middle-Eastern types etc all hover between 25 and 50%. In comparison, most Europeans hover around 1-5%. And this is from the CBS (Central Bureau of Statistics), which is a government institution.

https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2015/31/zeven-van-de-tien-so...

Edit: guys.. just read the link or come with rebuttals instead of this lame cop-out when facing the truth. I thought we are people of science and facts here?

Does that count people legally barred from working (e.g. refugees)?

No, they are former refugees ('voormalige asielzoekers').

Netherlands is a different country that applied very different immigrant policies. Pretty bad ones, I would say. The fact that Netherlands immigration policy may be a failure does not imply anything about the US one, or about immigration as a whole.

How many Somalian immigrants are on welfare after 5 years? 10 years? What's the economic productivity of those Somalians -- not just the taxes paid, but the profit made by their employers? What's the cost of that welfare? How many citizens are on welfare in an average year?

I think we could use more facts before coming to a conclusion.

I am sure there are some who don't like any kind of immigration; however, I believe most Americans are only concerned with illegal immigration, so it really doesn't do much to sway public opinion to claim that immigrants are good for the economy, since nobody is denying that and it is irrelevant to the issue of illegal immigration. Most people are fine with immigration, as long as immigrants come in legally. For example, my wife is an immigrant and currently holds a green card, but both of us are against illegal immigration. It's best not to conflate the two.

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