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Interesting problems. But is there a practical reason why you'd want to put such stringent restriction on extra space? I mean, space is relatively cheap nowadays (except of course if locality of reference/cache size is an issue, where it translates back into time).

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a) allocating the extra space might be expensive.

and most importantly:

b) you might not have extra space. For example, if you are implementing an out of core sort (i.e. sorting huge on-disk datasets), you want to maximize the size of the chunk you will sort in memory and do not want to waste any memory for the temporary storage. (this is related to locality of reference of course, you can a make similar argument for out-of-cache sorting).

On one hand, amelius is right, there are already simple fast stable sorts using O(sqrt(n)) extra space and that should be okay for all practical purposes. (Though they aren't very well known, and inventing one will take you a week or two.) Allocating 30K elements to help sort a billion elements is no big deal, you don't need to squeeze further. My interest is more academic, how come the known O(1) solutions are so complex compared to O(sqrt(n)) and can they be simplified.

I didn't know about this problem before but now I'm incredibly curious. I love these problems where you find a trade-off between two seemingly unrelated things, here how going from o(sqrt(n)) to o(log(n)) memoey increases the code complexity by order of magnitude. If you take the code for an o(1) or o(log(n)) memory sorting algorithm, I wonder if you can identify a subroutine that if memoized would give you an o(sqrt(n)) memory sorting algorithm you already know.

I mentioned that in the first comment. Fast in-place stable sorts usually have a step where they must freely rearrange some things (blocks, medians, etc.) and remember their original order, to preserve stability in case some of them were equal. It seems like no one can squeeze the number of these things below sqrt(n). If you have sqrt(n) extra space, you can store a permutation there. If you don't, you use part of the array itself as temporary bit storage, by changing the relative positions of elements. That's where the complexity comes from.

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