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12 seconds to load fully here (that's 11.90 seconds too long - can't they store some stuff in local storage or...?) - and of course it's not really usable until it's fully loaded. You could start trying to type but it'll not do anything, or stuff will move.

Opening the 'Updates', er, 'section' with 2 emails in it took 2 seconds, which is silly.

I love the flow of Inbox but I'm seriously considering going back to a local client. Are there any good ones left these days? I liked mutt, but using it with an IMAP mailbox made it a bit clunky. I just need to work /fast/, without crashes, without spam, and preferably with vi keys and programmabil... never mind the last two, I can live with the speed, stability and spam-free parts.

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> Are there any good ones left these days?

Not really. I wish the Mozilla Foundation would rejuvenate their email client once and for all.

I found Nylas N1[0] works well, it's cross platform which is a big plus and has plenty of kb shortcuts.

[0]: https://nylas.com/

> Not really. I wish the Mozilla Foundation would rejuvenate their email client once and for all.

I would love that too. Sometime last year Mozilla enabled donating specifically to the Thunderbird project (which was a long time wish of mine) as opposed to donating to Mozilla as one entity, and I started donating to it. With more monetary support, we could have possibly have it become much better again (native and good Exchange calendaring support without extensions would be my top wish - the current scheme with the integrated Lightning and Exchange Provider is quite buggy).

Actually Mozilla should not only rejuvenate their Email client, but actually provide a free/paid email services as well.

I can't trust Nylas because you have to trust yet another third party with your email, in addition to Google/Fastmail/etc.

AFAIK Nylas doesn't work locally, but through their "cloud APIs". They are not alone in doing this, for example Outlook for Android does it too.

That's not acceptable for me. The email client should only communicate with the email provider. Trusting Google or Fastmail with my email is a leap of faith on its own without an extra third party involved.

I'd also question their business model. If Nylas Mail syncs via their own "cloud", it means it's not free to operate on an ongoing basis, which means it will end up either milking users for ads or die.

Their newly released free version brings their sync engine to the client so there is no third party relay anymore.

For what it's worth, The Palemoon Project is continuing work on Thunderbird, but calling ot fossamail[1]

[1]: http://www.fossamail.org/

> I love the flow of Inbox but I'm seriously considering going back to a local client. Are there any good ones left these days?

As I mentioned elsethread, I'm thinking of switching back to gnus. Mutt was awesome too (I used it back when I used vi, then switch to gnus when I converted to emacs).

Gnus is pretty incredibly fast, and hyper-programmable, and as stable as can be. And it'll be as spam-free as the IMAP source is to begin with. Gmail over IMAP still has all the Gmail spam-filtering.

Opera mail is my default client now. I've used basically every client in existence, had to switch from Linux to windows so mutt wasn't an option. Thunderbird would hog resources and become unresponsive on my bigger IMAP accounts (Gmail), opera handles it superbly. No integrations though (calendar or anything)

Try deleting or moving messages in a folder (sorry, "label") with large number of messages in it (few thousand), then you'll never complain about 2 seconds to open something again...

Like you I'm considering ditching Inbox/Gmail. It's getting more and more painful to work with.

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