Vacant Homes Are a Global Epidemic, and Paris Is Fighting It with a 60% Tax
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The article [0] I read is in Finnish and now behind a paywall, but it explains that a woman more or less out of her good heart allowed someone to stay in her flat for a time while she was on an assignment in another country. The person staying in the apartment never really paid any rent, but became a "tenant" so that it is impossible to evict her. The owner has to refurbish and fix the apartment at her own cost, while the person staying there is protected by law and lives there and pays nothing. And makes a horrible mess which the owner has to pay.
It is obvious that such examples send a very strong message: if you're away for a year or two, DON'T give your apartment to let. Keep it empty. If you plan never to use it, then sell it. But if you intent to come back it, just keep it empty. Everything else is too risky, due to the regulations.
Then it's now fashionable to frame this as a xenophobic "rich foreigners come and hoard our apartments and cause housing shortage". The actually guilty to the shortage is local, populist regulation.
Laws in France are really leaning towards the tenants. First there's the "trêve hivernale" which could be translated as "winter truce": from November 1st to March 31st, you are not allowed to evict anyone (unless for safety reasons for instance).
By law, when the tenant ceases to pay rent, the owner must inform the renter through a bailiff about that. Then after 2 months, if the renter still hasn't paid, the owner can go to court.
So really, just at that point, if you did the bailiff thing after your tenant failed to pay for 2 months (because you're nice and didn't do it after just 1), by the time you go to court (because you have to wait 2 months), you're already due 4 months of rent.
The judge has the final call about the eviction delay, up to 3 years. So if you are lucky (not possible) and see the judge at that 4 months mark, judge who decides your tenant should be gone, you'll have to wait another 2 months. Because you can't legally kick out anyone without letting them a chance to find something else: they have 2 months to do that.
So that's 6 months already. I'm sure you can at least add 2 or 3 because courts are slow.
If winter comes, and unlike in Game of Thrones, it comes every year, you'll have to wait for the winter break.
The bottom line is on average, an eviction takes 18 months...
I could add the judge can give a payment delay to the tenant: from 2 months to 2 years.
You can google it, it'll be difficult to find a good translation but: https://www.french-property.com/guides/france/working-in-fra... https://www.french-property.com/guides/france/working-in-fra...
Basically, it is impossible. Strictly impossible during theft compulsory 3 years rent contract and almost impossible after if the renter does not want to leave.
If you want to sell the flat, good luck as week : not possible during the rent period (except with the renter in the package) and you have to give the renter priority in any case.
Having been a renter for years, I understand that renters need some protections and also an easy way out if they have some financial difficulties. There is a balance to find between landlord and tenant. If we could make easy for a tenant to move and find a more suitable place, I am sure tenants will be less willing to stick (and eventually not pay) when their financial situation changes (e.g. loss of job). But right now, it is almost impossible for someone who just lost his job, to seek a smaller/cheaper place. Hence he gets stuck with the current place, with a rent that is not matching anymore his income.
It is not like you can end the rent to get another renter (except if it is a close family). This is really crazy and have always been a turn - off for me when wondering about investing in flats (I am French)
But are they worth it? Unless you're making a really large profit, it seems like you're far better off just putting your money into an S&P500 index fund or other stock funds. With a stock fund, all you have to do is put your money in there, and wait. With a rental house, you have to deal with repairs, collecting rent, using the legal system when tenants don't pay, etc. Unless you're making a 100% profit, I fail to see how rental property makes any sense as an investment at all in that environment.
While your $50k investment is making 6% ($3,000/yr) interest in an index fund, my $50k downpayment on a $500k house is making average of 6% ($30,000/yr) equity growth. And I get to deduct the mortgage interest, taxes and maintenance costs of the house while someone else pays most of the mortgage.
I should really have kept that property...
All I can tell you is that here in France property squatter have rights, and the more the original owner awaits before calling the police, the less he has a chance to recover his property and evict squatters. I would be interested in knowing if others country have the same laws ?
Still better than a single anecdote on the internet.
I see nothing wrong with this. Private property ownership is protected by the government, but almost always predicated on the assumption that the property will be put to use to the people it grants ownership to. Owners have the right to let their properties sit idle, but not without risk. This is a good thing: property is a finite (often arbitrarily and unfairly divided) resource. In my view owners have an obligation to put their property to use, and if I had the power to do so I'd make having idle property financially onerous (at best).
Protecting predatory tenants is a problem but the big one in almost all Western cities is zoning: https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/r....
Contrast this NIMBY approach with, for example, Japan's system: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/023562e2-54a6-11e6-befd-2fc0c26b3c....
No-one has been able to show anything other than property developers are good at price gouging in any regulatory environment where the government does not build houses.
Or property taxes that are far, far too low which allows the land value to be captured by landlords rather than the community.
>Contrast this NIMBY approach with, for example, Japan's system
Where people get 100 year multigenerational mortgages...
I guess how you frame the property tax policy debate depends upon how much of the national income you believe should be earned through rent and interest entitlements and how much should be earned by doing actual work...
Currently in most western countries there is a drift from one towards the other driven by targeted tax cuts.
Basically it aims to remove all taxes on buildings and _only_ tax the property it's on, at a rate that is propertional to the value that society (the people living in the city around the property) and the city itself (through infrastructure) provide to the property.
The tax would then strongly encourage productive use of the land instead of speculating with it.
No methodology is provided. (Spoiler: it's different for each city which are therefore uncomparable). No baseline metric is given. No supporting or relative terms are present. It's only worth is starting a conversation.
In a normal housing market there is not much difference. A bad tenant is a risk but a good tenant coming with the apartment is an asset.
In Paris, the price difference is significant, with sales prices around 10 % lower for an apartment which has a tenant, depending on area and type of apartment. This shows that tenants are seen primarily as a risk and the housing market is off balance.
This also means that an apartment owner does not wish to take the risk of leasing out in the short term, and the regulation actually increases rental housing shortage.
The problem is that for every story about bad tenants, I can find a story about a shitty landlord. And, often, then shitty landlord affects WAY higher a number of people since shitty landlords all too often have multiple properties.
This is actually a bit of dilemma in small towns in the US. Many small towns have a very poor rental market, so they have many tenants who can barely pay. This also means that the landlords need to keep rental prices very low--which translates into shitty slumlord rentals. However, if regulation steps in to make the place better, it effectively bankrupts the landlord who then abandons the place and now the city gets the joy of what to do with the abandoned property.
Gold is also hoarded and not used because it is scarce and valuable, not regulation. It feels odd to have to point that out.
There is basically one (good) solution to this problem: tax land values higher (e.g. raise property taxes). That doesn't eliminate scarcity but it reduces the incentive to hoard and it reduces speculation. Increased land value (which in cities is created by the community) would instead accrue to the community via taxes. Hoarding and not using land would lead to heavy losses.
Property investment would become more of a normal business where high quality construction matters more than making lucky gambles (like the kind that made Trump rich).
I approve of this arrangement. Why, just because land ownership CAN be a money sink for abstracted accumulation of wealth and power, MUST it be that rewarded money sink? Why is it sacrosanct that people should be able to hoard 'location' beyond what they personally use? Note that I don't think there's a real limit to how big of a property can be 'home'. Versailles? Knock yourself out. You figure you should own 12 Versailles, and keep 11 of them empty? Uh nope. There is only so much area on the planet.
Millions of people live on land that was formerly water. For example, many people in the Netherlands live below sea level. A sixth of the current land mass of the Netherlands has been reclaimed. Of course, worldwide it seems that only slightly more than about 1% of 1% of land is reclaimed.
Not many people literally live on water, but it seems that the worldwide total is at least 100,000 (or a small multiple thereof).
Estimates of what portion of the land on Earth is "habitable" varies, but is usually about half of the land. At that rate, we would have to share each Palace of Versailles with all of 5 other people.
Finally, those people living in Siberia likely do not have that much living space per person, certainly nothing like the palace of Versailles. More likely, they live in mining towns or small cities, in small houses or apartments, with most of the land area being unused.
More specifically, taxing land irrespective of the value of what's built on top of it.
tax land values higher
If you don't also remove, or at least weaken, strict zoning laws, who would be able to pay high property taxes?But the main issue, in the large, with the epidemic of vacant apartments isn't that these people all just happen to be going away for a year or two. It's that the apartments are bought solely as vehicles of speculation (or to store and/or launder wealth) -- and are effectively no longer "living spaces", in any meaningful sense.
Then it's now fashionable to frame this as a xenophobic "rich foreigners come and hoard our apartments and cause housing shortage".
Yet there's a lot of evidence that this is exactly what's happening (substituting "exacerbate" for "cause"). And it's not "fashionable" or "xenophobic" to call something what it is. It's called speaking plainly and directly.
1) in a rental market, there is a natural vacancy rate of a few percent due to people moving every few ears, and that
2) apartments that are in statistics "vacant" are not really vacant or empty; they are merely apartments where no person has a permanent address - there still may be people living there. Workers from elsewhere in the country who work in the city for the week but have their permanent address elsewhere with their family; undocumented migrants, etc.
3) apartments belong to elderly or sick people (cancer etc) who are in a care home or equivalent, but don't want to give up their home because they hope to be able to return, or to old people who clearly are not going to return but whose heirs cannot sell the apartment until the owner has passed away. If it were rented out, the care payments would increase with the amount of the rent income, and the only thing owners would get from renting out is risk of a bad tenant.
Yes, no one is living in that apartment just now. Still, it's not primarily a "vehicle for speculation".
But rather to white-hot, globally active real estate markets like NYC, London, Paris, etc.
This Paris thing was immediately grabbed by local city activists as proof that Helsinki should do the same.
So with the shorter title they were just trying to simplify - not lead anyone astray.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323297/Inside-Paris...
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/vacant-property-tax-expect...
Edit: good analysis in this podcast if you're interested http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/2016-1...
And if you leave someone in your apartment/house at least sign a contract.
They void their unavoidable tenant rights?
A form of rent warranty is required after N months (this might be on the tenancy laws already, I'm not sure)
Or, you know, get references before you let anyone live in your place
However, even if it takes 3 years to elect someone that's not even close to 1M in damages.
The owner is a member of the building association. She agreed to pay maintenance and renovation charges. That is an agreement between her and the association. The tenant did not make that agreement so has no say in it.
There is a process to evict someone. This owner sounds like she doesn't want or can't be bothered to follow it. It's a long heartbreaking process that involves courts and police. And due to abuse in the past the judges and police want to be sure every step is followed.
The solution to regulation is always more regulation.
Society is not a software algorithm.
Those bad behaviors are often incentivized by regulation. And the best fix is often to simply remove those regulations. Not by adding more. Especially when it comes to real estate, zoning, and rent control.
The municipality tried to raise taxes, but it isn't working. The owners' pockets are too deep and the apartments are bought for social reasons, not economic ones. Whatever the city charges, the wealthy will pay.
There isn't an easy solution. If the law were to require occupancy, then the law would penalize honest landlords who do seek to rent out their apartments and deal with frictional vacancy as an investment risk. If their apartments were to be "raided" during frictional vacancy, what then? Should law enforcement accept that the vacancy was frictional and not long-term? How is law support supposed to tell the difference? If the law is too hostile to honest landlords, then they'll sell their investments, and the cost of rent will rise, which is regressive.
The only real solution I can think of is require mixed-use zoning and fine developers for failing to lease the retail space. If the developers sell too many apartments to ghost owners, then the retail won't get foot traffic, so the retail space will fail to lease, causing the developer to be fined, and incentivizing the developer to ensure that he sells to long-term occupants instead of ghost owners.
From that money, the city can finance things useful for the actual city inhabitants.
How do we know these vacant units are net-negative in societal impact? They take up space and are mostly unused, which is a societal drain. But, the owners pay taxes and use few local resources, which seems like a societal gain.
We could play with the numbers so that they're obviously a societal drain, just assume they've found a way to pay $1 in taxes after creative accounting. We could also assume the opposite, that they're paying for the education and transportation for dozens of city dwellers. So how do we quantify and balance the costs and benefits?
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/sep/14/mecca-hajj-pi...
There's also a bit of the emotional security blanket that if things go to shit in China, an owner would be able to seamlessly move to the other side of the Pacific. Though that's often overstated IMO.
Just a thought... Make the annual penalties rise exponentially with each passing year for any home with sub-50% annual occupancy. At the very least, the ratcheting will provide extremely high tax revenues after a few years, so that absentee owners can subsidize govt affordable housing efforts.
If the wealthy will pay whatever penalty tax for unoccupied homes you levy, then let them. Shift a meaningful amount of tax burden on to them and relieve taxes elsewhere. Make it expensive enough that there's at least some pressure against it and leave it be.
Furthermore I could see the government getting drunk off the high taxes and the massive deficits that would ensue if and when the property is sold to someone who actually lives there.
The original idea was the correct one - just make them high by default. Exponentially raising would cause countless headaches and loopholes.
That sounds amazing. I hate the cars on my street, and walk or cycle everywhere I need to go myself.
I see there a family of 3 choose furniture and point a fairly large sofa. They leave the sofa there and pack themselves in their Mercedes and drive off.
Two guys carry the sofa out, and pack it on a tricycle, with a remarkably high-placed centre of mass for the whole. One guy rides off with the transport bike, presumably trusting that there is a servant at the destination helping him out to carry it to the apartment.
You can do this, but I suppose it requires quite large income inequalities for people to be willing to work with it.
Vehicles don't have to be huge.
The US and Saudi Arabia who created this mess in the first place are accepting none so far. Anti muslim sentiment is growing across Europe exactly because Merkel invited these refugees over without asking anyone and then imposed refugee quotas on other EU countries. Now we have nutcackes like Marine LePen and Geert Wilders gaining in popularity and threatening with Fr/Nl exits that would most likely break the EU apart.
If we take a country similar in population size to Israel - Sweden - we can see that they have taken in 2-3% of their population. Israel should at least match that - they are next door! That would mean at a minimum of 300,000 refugees. Open up Israel.
This is extremely unlikely. If it is true, then the empty apartments should be considered money fountains and used to spread prosperity all over the world. Do you mean that they are already taxing to an extent where direct financial incentives to politicians have reached a level that prevents any further tax rises?
I don't see the problem.
The solution with fines for vacant retail space seems very inefficient and a bit unfair, since the developer can probably do very little once they sold appartements, and has little influence on whether they are vacant or not.
If a unit is vacant for one month per year that would be an 8.3% vacancy rate. Certainly not all units turn over every year, particularly owner-occupied, but it's something to calibrate from. Another data point: the US nationwide average vacancy rate is 6.8%. I realize these are crowded cities and thus not entirely average, but that still gives us some baseline.
The cities in the article have anywhere from 1.71% to 9% vacancy rates. 1.71% is actually a very tight market by most standards I've heard of - equivalent to 6 days of vacancy per year per unit. 9% is rather high vacancy, particularly in an expensive market, but not completely out of line.
It seems like they may be overstating their case here.
Or, one can always count long term vacancies, and be done with the subtleties of not-actually-vacant homes...
For example in Toronto based on official statistics rental vacancy is 1.2%. 2011 census provides the rest of the required data: there were 1,112,929 private dwellings in Toronto out of which 476,085 were rentals. 1.2% of that is 5,713 units, out of 100,000 estimated vacant.
Imagine what difference on a rental market increasing available vacancies 15 or 20 times would make..
Generally most of the local governments in the data sets used only consider homes vacant if it's not considered someone's primary address. It's normal to have some vacancies (especially in a global city), but usually not that many. To contrast what a normal-ish number is, Paris has half as many vacant units as all of England. New York City has more than all of England.
A large part of New York City's vacancies has to do with the last real estate crash there. I literally know people that can't remember where their place in New York City is, because they purchased it 15 years ago and didn't want to lose money. Now it just sits as a line item in their assets.
Note: I wrote the article, so I'm bias in defense here.
https://www.prosper.org.au/2015/12/09/speculative-vacancies-...
You'd figure that in such a situation, the landlords are immensely incentivized to sell, or to lower rents, which may continue to be very unwelcome to them...
...but if the point is that real estate speculation is the problem, wouldn't the looming possibility of that situation result in less speculation, or very careful speculation?
On the other hand, that would hit less wealthy landlords harder (larger percent of their wealth), encouraging them to sell, possibly simply driving more ownership to landlords with deep enough pockets to stomach the (temporary) losses?
Complicated!
Except the numbers showed vacancy rates at similar levels in expensive, "investment friendly" boroughs like Kensington and Chelsea compared to boroughs where large portions of the rental market is social housing where the council gets tenants in ASAP after cleanup/refurbishment.
I'm sure there are areas with problems, but many pleases it seems to me that the problem is more one of flawed assumptions. E.g. articles about the situation in London have more than once talked about dark streets and no children out playing.
But if there is one thing that has always been different between rich and poor areas, it is density and likelihood that the occupants will be spending money on activities away from home vs. playing around the block. I remember that distinction well even from growing up in Norway with class distinction far flatter than anywhere in London - the "normal" working class neighbourhoods I grew up in were lit and surrounded by kids playing outdoors in the evenings, while e.g. when I went to visit my grandparents in one of the wealthier parts of town, it was always darker - the flats in their building all had two living rooms and a couple of bedrooms with windows facing the road, and more rooms facing the inner courtyard. Even when people were home at night, there would be far less lit windows for the simple reason there were not enough people there to use all the rooms at once.
It seemed to me like people had started from a flawed feeling, and gotten hold of the statistics and asked no critical questions whatsoever about why the numbers where similar in the poorer areas and similar for social housing.
It's appealing story because it "explains" the high house prices people have to deal with by blaming it on some undefined evil absentee investor which won't show up to defend themselves.
I'll note that I've not looked at the issues related to Paris etc.; maybe it's different there and they have a genuine issue, but even if these numbers were abnormally high, "solving" that problem would not in any case be enough to drive the house prices down to affordable levels - no matter what it's clear that if governments want these prices down to affordable levels, they either have to resort to regulation or to stimulate housebuilding, whether by easing regulations or pouring money into it. But it's much easier to blame people for leaving properties empty.
Neighbourhoods I grew up in were
lit and ...
This is often a generational thing. Most people move to a bigger dewelling when the form a family and stay there until the end of their life. Often young families move to newly built areas, where almost everybody else is also a young family, whence lots of children. 3-4 decades later, the children have moved out, the parents are still about but in their 70s and 80s. * . * . * .
I have discussed the issue of empty properties in London with builders and developers, and they generaly laugh at the suggestion that many properties are deliberately left empty. What does happen though is that the top end properties are difficult to sell -- there are just not that many people who will pay > £10 Mill for a flat in London, overlooking the Thames. So they stay empty for a while, simply because nobody can afford them. The owners would love to rent them out, or sell them on. And if you look at what gets build now in London (e.g. Nine Elms, or Docklands) it's not large luxury flats, it's almost exclusively studios, 1 and 2 bedrooms, i.e. targeting the lowest end of the market.> And if you look at what gets build now in London (e.g. Nine Elms, or Docklands) it's not large luxury flats, it's almost exclusively studios, 1 and 2 bedrooms, i.e. targeting the lowest end of the market.
This is another trap people go into, though: London is far more than the central areas. Go further out, and things are still closer to "normal".
things are still closer to "normal".
What do you mean by normal here? Everything is left empty by fabulously wealthy owners, or everything is packed to the rafters? I guess the latter.The proportion of empty properties does not vary much across London as far as I know. Certainly not enough to be noticeable.
I doubt Croydon currently has enough glamour to attract the super rich to park their money with empty mansions.
I imagine that the main reason for property to be empty in Croydon is that it can't be sold/rented at the target price level.
But Croydon actually has some of the most expensive areas of the UK. When people think of Croydon, they often think only of Croydon town centre, but that's a tiny part of the borough. It doesn't have the 10+ million flats you might find a handful of in Kensington etc., but it does have lots of multi-million properties, in numbers big enough that those are significant for these stats.
E.g. here's an example of the type of things you might find in Purley, which is part of Croydon [1], [2]. In Shirley (also Croydon) you're more likely to find properties around the million mark, but you do have roads where the average is around 1.5-2.5 million.
In terms of empty properties, there's minimal difference between those areas, or the luxury flats near the station, or the middle class areas, or the couple of run down council estates.
[1] http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/41807624?search_ide...
[2] http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/33270402?search_ide...
They are parking money. Property value in London is on the rise although it might not be so forever due to increasing property taxes. Same with Paris, Oslo etc.
French legislation also favorizes the tennants, so the owners would rather keep these places empty than even bother renting. Now the city council is coming up with a tax for a problem created through regulation. Which only proves that career politicians do not even understand the economics behind these issues.
So almost 40% don't even have the power turned on? Vacant or abandonded?
As an interesting anecdote to add, I have a close friend who purchased an industrial building in Tucson Arizona. It had been there for 40 years when he purchased it and he took ownership of it and did not turn the electric service on for 7 months while he did some landscaping and stuff outside. Turns out that was a big mistake. The code says that if the electric is off for 6 month plus a day, it has to be brought up to current year code spec. So my friend had to spend 3 years and thousands of dollars to upgrade this industrial building in order to get a permit to use it.
I wonder how many of those Paris housing units could even have their electricity turned on even if they wanted to. Would it pass code? Then do they get taxed 60% of fair market in this scenario? My friend spent well over $50,000 just on electrical upgrades, not to mention the cost of an unusable building for 3 years.
Does anyone know current Paris electric code?
Perhaps he needed better inspection before purchase.
There was nothing wrong with the electrical. He was forced to make the 40 year old building ADA compliant, with handicap bathrooms, parking, etc. and a whole other list of requirements that did not apply when the building was built.
So take it as a lesson, not a complaint about code. Also, never shut off utilities if you can help it :)
Your friend however bought an industrial site and the compliance rules there are likely a lot stricter than in residential.
The last person to live there died in 80s. They did have 2 grandchildren one in Canada and the other in Australia. They did not know they inherited an apartment. Do to inheritance laws them and a cousin were the beneficiaries. And to sell this property it required their approval and a split of the proceeds. In total it took 18 months to buy this flat.
I'm sure there are other stories like this.
"Starting in 2015 the city elected to tax vacant homes the equivalent of 20% of the fair market value of rent. On January 30 this year, they decided to triple that amount to 60%. "
Fairly common to encounter the above in small town historic districts across the nation. Perhaps it's inevitable when housing is viewed as a "holding" rather than a home.
Weird, I know.
Just because we disagree doesn't mean I'm ignorant of your position, and it is rude of your to pretend otherwise.
I figured the wealthy Californian already made it pretty clear that he adheres to a 'I buy it and I own it' view of property rights. "What does he say in response to being called out as an absentee?" seems obvious.
Because, over the last century, the non-liquid surface area of the planet remained roughly constant while the human population tripled.
And that happened because some incredible portion of the humans believes that birth control is wrong.
Your explanation simply doesn't work.
That... may be an oversimplification.
Hardly incredible.
Do you believe ending human live is wrong? What about not starting human life? What's the difference in terms of economic utility?
See, now we're getting into a moral issue that has gut feelings and beliefs and upbringings.
Using google translate: "For an apartment located on Saint-Louis Island, one of the most speculative sectors in France, the average amount is € 142 per year."
The current vacation home surtax is 20%, so this means the base tax must be €710, so new total for a vacation home would be €1420. Seems like a bargain to what we pay in LA.
Past a point, if that control shifts welfare too far from some sort of common good, should -- and can -- the "ownership" shift to counter-act this?
Or, to put it in old terms, in their way not entirely outdated -- certainly not in sentiment, regardless of those specific words: Noblesse oblige.
Some of our current elites -- like always -- think this should be "trickle down" and that they should retain absolute control. That they are inherently superior, and that their position proves this and justifies whatever they decide and do.
Well, no. It is much more dynamic than that. Just, most people these days would prefer that dynamism exert itself effectively without e.g. war and wholesale exploitation.
My perspective is, more people doing better makes for a happier, more enjoyable, more interesting world.
But I find myself butting up against a lot of not just me-first, but also zero sum gain -- belief and behavior.
When people are using their control to make a bunch of other people unnecessarily miserable, take it away from them.
Perhaps our greatest achievement is the means of doing so without guns and death. Maybe. Sometimes.
Something is very wrong with the US economy and needs to be fixed. I don't want things to be "fair" only for the rich - I want things to be "fair" for our entire society.
Was it most or was it 10%?
Edit: I got downvoted for being confused? Please read my comment as pleasantly-toned, not snarky.
Bad tenants should definitely be easier to evict. In some parts of the world, if you're 24 hours late paying the rent you can get evicted manu militari, in France, it can take years.
Frankly anybody who is airbnb'ing his house or apartment in France is playing with fire. He could be stuck with squatters for years, there is nothing he could do about it.
Vancouver has bypassed the lengthy process of eviction and limits on rent increases with landlords now forcing you to sign yearly contracts with clauses that specify you agree to move out on the day the lease expires, so they can increase the rent however much they wish or toss you out more easily. I have yet to find anywhere that doesn't dangle this yearly lease scheme so I have to now plan a vacation week around lease negotiation time in case they skyrocket it and I'm forced to move.
Some - actually very few.
By not renting the property in the first place?
They just charge insane rent to the people how actually pay, just like any other insurance scheme, essentially.
When interest rates go up. Fixed-income securities will be much more attractive.
Combine that with local home owners having to pay a higher monthly mortgage payment due to higher rates. Their affordability will go down.
The pendulum will swing and a sellers market will turn into a buyers market.
It will be sellers racing for the exit and patient buyers on the sidelines hoping a little longer wait will produce even better deals.
When interest rates go up, this issue will take care of itself.
Fixed-income securities are less attractive when there is increasing inflation. A bond that returns 1% will still only return 1%. You don't want your money stuck in 1% bonds when seeing double digit inflation.
Interest rates basically go up to either counter or prevent an increase in the rate of inflation. It's difficult to target a single market to head off a speculative bubble with the tool of interest rates alone, especially if inflation is low and stable.
The rental rates for these (mostly new) apartments are so high that they don't address the shortage of housing in the low to mid income range. And the owners (corporate, mostly) prefer to keep the units empty instead of lowering the prices.
So, in a sense, Los Angeles has both too few and too many housing units.
http://theprovince.com/business/real-estate/mysterious-wheel...
http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/03/04/its-official-its-a-bubb...
Normally there would be an epic crash in the near future, but I have come to the conclusion that this time really is different, and I'm not joking.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&obj...
These are mostly empty apart from a couple of months when the princes of the middle east come to escape the heat. I find it very sad to see things of such beauty being occupied by people who have stolen a countries wealth away from their poorest.
Something tells me they're not cheap. They're bought to speculate/invest, after all, right?
So is this trend really hurting those who the government is claiming to protect?
Although I guess one could claim that this trend encourages builders to make more expensive housing when they could make more affordable housing...but that's just how markets work, no?
The free market is essentially a natural law. It's the root of economics. Policies and laws merely try to control portions of the formula and when they do that the reaction is predictable.
Put price controls on something, demand will rise and supply will fall. Provide money for a service regardless of price without increasing supply, demand will increase and the price will along with it. Control the price and the supply, then as demand increases you create a market for access.
These are the basic effects that have happened with education, health care, real estate, etc. Everytime policy tries to interfere, the market merely adjusts. When money is handed out from government policy, inflation happens.
You can pass a law that gravity must behave differently...doesn't mean it can actually control it.
The only controls that laws and policies have on markets is tampering.
But...government isn't usually that logical. They already tried a tax and it didn't work.
To a point. Taxation tends to work as well as anything else in economic policy, but price controls and state ownership of production have almost never worked (as far as I can remember).
Sure, we could make Mt Everest look like whatever we want it to, but we'll be fighting nature to do so.
Also, once they own such property, they could rent it for the time when they are away. They could make a lot of money this way.
In the first case, people are giving away money for nothing. In the second case, people refuse to take money. Why do they do that?
Consider a $20 million Manhattan apartment. Even if it has a "management fee" of $5k per month (not uncommon), that's still only 0.3% per year. Far less than you'd pay to a hedge fund or other investment manager to hold on to the money.
Ultimately I think it will be self-defeating. If too many people do this, the vibrancy of the city that makes the real estate valuable in the first place will disappear, because nobody will be able to afford to live there.
Already happening in some places. The average rent of a 1BR in Manhattan leveled off a couple years ago, roughly equal to the average 1BR in Brooklyn. All but the most successful young professionals have fled the city for the boroughs; the artists fled ahead of them, so all the fun night life that used to make NYC so exciting is already out in Queens (for a while it was in Brooklyn, but I think a lot has been pushed out there already, too).
NYC, now, is a lot more dead by comparison. It's still fun for tourists, and the place to be for the sort of evening life that is either more expensive (fine dining) or less capable of flight to the outer boroughs (museums), but if you're a local...
Far less than you'd pay to a hedge
fund or other investment manager
to hold on to the money.
And yet, renting it out or AirBnBing it would be what? +$10k per month? There are not many people rich enough not to care about foregoing that much money every month.However, the few people who are that rich hold a wildly disproportionate share of total real estate. I don't remember the exact numbers and am having trouble finding a decent reference, but it's something like 10% of real estate being held by the top 0.01%.
10% of real estate being
held by the top 0.01%.
First I doubt the veracity of such claims.Second, yes, you are right, there are real estate tycoons owning a lot of property, but they typically make their money by renting and selling dwellings, not by leaving them empty. For example which of the world's richest real estate tycoons in the list [1] is leaving substantial numbers of their property empty? My conjecture is: nobody.
[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2016/03/14/the-20-r...
Or maybe we need some service for that, which would include insurance and everything, and will just pay owners the money without worrying about anything.
As to why they don't rent it out when they aren't in town, I can think of a few reasons: they don't want the risk of items in the house being damaged, they don't want "other people" in their house, they like visiting on short notice (even if it's only a few times a year) which isn't compatible with renting.
Condsider a property that costs $1,000,000 which you may be able to finance 75% of. You have $250k invested, but it is the whole value that appreciates. So in a competitive market like Paris, perhaps that $1M house is worth $1.75M in 10 years. Now you have earned $750,000 for your $250,000 investment in 10 years. All the while having something relatively safe, and fun to use.
If it was inflation that caused the increase in home value, then you are covered for that too, much better than keeping cash in a CD or savings account.
Minus the interest you're paying on the $750K you borrowed in the first place. If that interest outstrips the appreciation of the asset, you lose.
We ended up buying a house so that we can use it for eight weeks every year when we're back in the US so that we can feel like we're in a home for the duration of our stay and not interloping on someone else's home. From our point of view, it's a valid use case.
My wife and I own a condo in the Philippines which we use 1 month out of the year. Why buy when we could just rent or get a timeshare? This place is ours forever, it has already appreciated 50% over what we paid 4 years ago, it is always available when we need it, and we got to decorate it the way we wanted.
My wife's relatives in the Philippines have the key, and they stay there occasionally to use the resort-style pool and cabanas, and a few friends from the UK or Australia who visited the Philippines stayed there. We could make money through AirBnB or longer-term rentals, and in fact the condo management company facilitates that with concierge, checkin/checkout, cleaning, airport transer services, etc, but the rent we would get (~$300-600 after expenses) isn't enough to justify the extra wear and tear on the condo.
being a landlord is a pain in the ass, even if you hire a property management company.
They don't rent any of them out since they like the flexibility to decide at the last minute where they want to spend the night.
They did luck out and buy these homes when prices were depressed.
Something to think about is all countries sell citizenship rights some more explicitly than others, but all do it, and going rate in the 1st world is about a half million on the balance sheet of a new company, and all you need to do is form a SMLLC and have it purchase the million dollar condo, then you're in on an investment visa and its pretty easy to prove your corporation has an asset of a million bucks, its right there in the tax records. Now the government hopes that people who come in on an entrepreneur VISA actually open a real business, but its hard to prove who's a real businessman vs an incompetent businessman, so anyone going thru the documented motions gets in. Anyway at least some million dollar empty condos are the visual manifestation of the weirdest naturalization ritual in the history of humanity. All countries have wide open visa policies if you're a businessmen willing to invest a large enough amount of money, all of them.
Because either
(a) they don't care for it being cheaper, they have plenty of money to spare (I know several such people), or
(b) they still have money, but not enough that they don't care about renting vs buying and living vacant. But they see the vacant house as a stable-ish investment on that property (I also know of this latter category).
Both cases don't care to go through the hassle of renting the house to others.
>In the first case, people are giving away money for nothing. In the second case, people refuse to take money. Why do they do that?
Both of these are concerns of middle/working class people like us. Not the concerns of people that make lotsa money (e.g. 500.000 to several million per year).
And above them, they are people who can afford to have whole castles sitting, waiting for them empty with full staff working there in several places in the world and not think twice about it.
And they could make a lot of aggravation this way if they get a nightmare tenant.
Edit: I'm surprised I'm being downvoted so much - maybe you disagree, but this is at least an attempt to add to the discussion.
Speculators do add value by making the market more efficient.
For example, if there is going to be a house shortage then speculators will buy it early thus rewarding people for developing houses earlier.
Or, if there are too many houses, speculators can short it and bring prices down and so make housing more affordable earlier.
Yes.
> If there were less or no speculation, what would be the net result?
You would have more housing shortages and more excess housing.
I'm pretty skeptical, do you have any supporting evidence?
Let us assume constant demand for houses.
Suppose a housing shortage is going to happen in 1 year.
Speculators will buy houses thus incentivizing construction and lowering prices in the future. The more adverse the shortage (consider supply and demand) the greater the difference in prices between now and 1 year from now and thus the greater the gains of the speculators.
Speculators are essentially arbitraging over time.
If the speculators incorrectly buy houses when there is excess housing, they will lose money proportional to their mistake.
I don't understand what you mean. We can quibble about the details of this particular tax, but set that aside for a moment.
The best way to fight speculation is to put a tax on it. To see what I mean, imagine these 2 scenarios:
1.) There is a country without any land tax. You see a house that you can buy. You believe prices will be 10% higher within one year. Do you buy the house?
2.) There is a country with a 10% annual land tax. You see a house that you can buy. You believe prices will be 10% higher within one year. Do you buy the house?
In scenario #1 the house is a good investment.
In scenario #2, you would only buy the house if you are going to live in it, or if you can rent it out and make money off of it. In either case, in scenario #2, the house is not vacant.
A land tax forces the owners of land to use the land for productive purposes, rather than just holding it.
Vacancies are caused by the fact that we live in scenario #1. Speculators can buy up properties, keep them empty, and reap a financial reward (as long as they time it right) as demand for the location increases.
Of course, it's because they do provide value: They allow land owners to transform illiquid, risky assets into liquid, reliable cash.
In Paris, they need to come up with a "market rent" figure for each and every property to tax. Do they have those numbers? Using assessment value as Vancouver does, seems a lot easier.
Also, I wonder what's a bigger number: 1% of assessed value, or 60% of market rent. The previous 20% of market rent seems to be a low number, compared to the wealth stored in the property.
The problem with Vancouver's system is they determine vacancies through a survey. If you lie, you pay a severe penalty. However, they have a track record of not enforcing anything.
For example, the city has a law preventing the use of a home for an AirBnB full-time without a B&B license. Only 56 B&B licenses have issued in the metro area, and there were more than 2,570 listings that violated that rule at last check. City's response to our article was they have no idea how to figure that out...we offered the bot that cross references it and they said no thanks.
Going to work every day, seeing the amount of new homes being built (including many where Estates of poorer people are moved out first), vs the high prices, does not add up.
How in the world does a service that encourages turning residential housing into hotel rooms solve that problem exactly? Local wanna be residents are going to rent rooms in the homes of the wealthy absentee homeowners? Maybe some, but I suspect a vast majority are fine just letting them sit vacant. Even if they do, that's no way to build a healthy, thriving community. It's fast food housing. I, as well as many others, don't want to live in a building that's part residential, part hotel.
So your solution is "Let AirBnB enable the absentee owner to rent out their place to the local baker that is priced out of owning.", thereby giving the illusion of a solution but really not solving the problem because the fabric of the community becomes provisional at best.
Seems like a fairly poor solution to me. I hate red tape as much as anyone but I've come around to think that well crafted and executed policy that focuses on the common good is a better option to strive for than figuring out how to enable even more wealth concentration than we already have. The trick is "well crafted and executed" which I agree is rarely the case but we already know the end game with unbridled capitalism. Just ask the pope - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/10/poor-must-chan...
The problem in the article is that there is unused/abandoned housing. AirBnB fixes that. If you have a xenophobic fear of tourists or something, that's a different issue. AirBnB also decreases the profitability of large hotels, which means more building space allocated to residential housing.
Again it goes back to what you want to prioritize, a well knit community or a city of hotel rooms mixed with residential housing that encourages more rent seeking. You're willing to allow for a lower quality and further enriching an already rich upper class. So not only do renters have to pay high rents and never own, they now need to sacrifice any semblance of community as the incentives to AirBnB a place would displace all long term rentals.
Not everything that can be monetized and made efficient should be, but I realize that's super counter to the Ayn Rand HN crowd. I maybe would've agreed with you 10 years ago but I've since realized the flaws in libertarian thinking. Either that or I'm wrong and unbridled capitalism is the right solution to all the problems but I seriously doubt it.
Sure it's great as a tourist but as an owner, when you could rent your place for X € a month, on AirBnB you could probably rent it for 70% of that for a week. Bottom line is you're not looking for people to rent it all year long, now you want to make a quick buck and rent it on AirBnB.
There's an article in the HuffPost: http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2016/03/30/airbnb-paris-locatio...
"In the 10 most touristy areas, 9 to 10 nights on AirBnB cover a whole month of 'regular' rent".
To get there, they analyzed 8000 places out of 35000 (studios and one bedroom).
I don't get this meme on how this could be bad?
I guess because peoples lives often suck and they need to defer blame?
Blaming 'rich' people for why you can't afford to live in the exact spot you want is easier?
These people are subsidising the rest. They are paying year long taxes for assets they don't use.
I really don't get this groupthink.