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NZ court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to U.S. for alleged fraud

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31 pointsdjsumdog18 comments

Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13685238

What's "flawed" is a legal system that allowed a foreign country to order a raid and subsequently ordered extradition of man who never set foot in that foreign country as a part of any illegal activity.

That doesn't make sense. Someone sending a bomb in the mail can't be extradited?

That's sort of a weird scenario, but I'd say no - sending the bomb in the mail should have been illegal in the country they sent it from, whether it's illegal or not in the destination country shouldn't matter.

And if it isn't?

Countries don't arrest/extradite people for actions that aren't criminal in said country.

Depends on whether the person is wanted in another country and whether the governments of the two have extradition treaties that would apply. Many do.

I'd imagine that mail services of other countries would refuse to accept mail from a country where it's legal to send mailbombs. If they didn't, I'd expect them to be at least somewhat liable for the ensuing explosions.

A dangerous line of thinking.... If someone were to take prescription meds that's legal in the country they bought and took them, why should they be extradited to a country that happen to not agree on the legality of those meds?

That is only analogous if that person were facilitating the transport of these medications to a country in which they were not legal.

I don't why. The alleged crime occurred in a foreign country, and the evidence presented to the host country was deemed sufficient for an arrest for an equivalent crime in the host nation. This is just the flip side of the old adage that the Internet erases International borders.

Would it really be better if the host county put the alleged criminal on trial for crime that wasn't committed in the host country at all? Some countries do that (specifically I'm thinking about Israel) I wonder what he ge practical difference is.

how Israel does that? are you refering to the nazi hunting?

No. Israel kidnaps Nazis from foreign countries to put them on trial in Israel. See Adolf Eichmann.

I was specifically thinking about Samuel Sheinbein who killed a classmate in Maryland then fled to Israel, claimed Israeli citizenship, and because he was now Israeli would not be extradited. Instead he was put on trial in Israel for murdering his classmate in the United States.[0]

What I did not know until now, is that because of the legal crisis this case caused, Israel changed their extradition law regarding people who were not residents of Israel at the time the crime was committed in an effort to avoid being seen as a safe haven for Jewish criminals.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Sheinbein

Kim DotCom claims a victory here. He was arrested for criminal copyright infringement, judge ruled that is not a crime in NZ ( it's a civil offence not a criminal one ). Now his original arrest warrant which mentioned this non-crime faces validity issues. Case continues...

Seems like such an obvious lesson over and over again across many different situations: don't flaunt the wealth. Instead be humble and reinvest everything

He isn't in trouble for ostentatious spending, he's in trouble for crossing American copyright owners who want to go nuclear to protect their rents.

Maybe it was more politically palatable to order a raid on Dotcom, because he flaunts his wealth?

I don't think this really enters the political spectrum for most calculations. The media refuses to pay any attention whatsoever to copyright issues because they know the public isn't on board with the law as it stands; the only time they're addressed is to reinforce the belief that the evil copyright infringers are eviscerating your mythical childhood icons. Most people don't know or care who Kim Dotcom is.

They went after Kim Dotcom because they felt he was costing them a lot of money. It's that simple. If anything, his personal habits should've put them off, because it was clear he was a bombastic personality that people like.

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