I don't recall Mann having much description of what the earthworks were used for, although there were suggestions of some of them being fish corrals during high water events, I believe.
I don't recall Mann having much description of what the earthworks were used for, although there were suggestions of some of them being fish corrals during high water events, I believe.
Yes, "both far more heavily populated, and far more ecologically managed", and for a far longer time. Perhaps for as long as 40 kiloyears. But relatively isolated, with just "low-bandwidth" communication with northeast Asia.
I wonder why things went so differently in Eurasia. Maybe bronze and iron technology? Jared Diamond stuff?
Edit: Yes, Mann does indeed argue that. And also that isolation prevented tech spreading. I must read that book!
As per population crashing, his general thesis were:
- Disease spreads faster than explorers (people who would create records)
- For many reasons, European diseases were more deadly to Americans than American diseases were to Europeans.
- It's a lot easier to conquer a people if they are in the midst of an epidemic. Imagine an immune army invading Europe in the midst of the Bubonic Plague.
- In South America, severe climate events triggered massive wars that destroyed agriculture, leading to population collapse.
As per the tech, I would argue it did spread. Remember corn, potatoes, peppers, tomatoes, avocados, peanuts, sunflowers, and beans all came from Indians. As did the idea of a free people — the basis for America itself! We just don't tend to associate these ideas with "technology" as much as we do wheels and hammers. Much of the Eurasian technology we celebrate today was impractical and unnecessary in the Americas (What good is a wheel if you're climbing the stairs to Machu Picchu? What good is a horse if its hooves rot in the jungle?).
All that being said, I would recommend the book even though I have extremely mixed feelings about it. It was one of the most frustrating books I've read in recent memory, but at the same time, the material is extremely fascinating to me. I definitely came away realizing how ridiculous the history of Americas I learned in school was, but I can't say I came away with a better view of what the Americas looked like either. I'm really hoping for more research and writing on this subject — I think we have a lot to learn from the Old Americas, especially wrt to agriculture, agroforestry, and managing wildlands.
Year X: European explorer #1 sails up a river/crosses mountains/etc and discovers a vast empire, huge cities, and marvelous civilizations that his European nation might trade with. He brings pigs with him and trades them to the natives for their cool stuff.
Year X+20: European explorer #2 follows the path of explorer #1. Then he's all "WTF, there's nobody here." But explorer #2 does discover, e.g., the giant earthworks that explorer #1 said were there - it's just the city on top of the earthworks doesn't exist.
He postulates that in years X+1 to X+19, the smallpoxalypse occurred and civilization collapsed. The remaining survivors are just roving tribal bands trying to survive in the remains of their old civilization.
(To make a fictional analogy, consider the current civilization in Georgia and then consider the civilization depicted on the Walking Dead. Mann's hypothesis is that most of what we know about American Indians consists of observing the Walking Dead and then drawing conclusions about their pre-apocalyptic civilization.)
Which is oddly fitting given the history of siphylis, which was likely carried over from the Americas and sometimes hypothesised to be the inspiration for zombies
Already reserved it at the library, cannot wait to dive in. Hopefully better researched than the other author, but I like plausible fiction, too!
1421:The Year China Discovered The World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies
Edit: It seemed familliar b/c I read about it in other book. Conquistador by Levy touches on the underreported civ's and tech in the Americas before the Euros arrived.
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Google translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
Book of Mormon confirmed, checkmate atheists