I love Chapo and this interview had me buzzing for days after I heard it, it's one of the best calls to action for left politics I've ever heard. If anyone new to the show likes this, I recommend you start with episode 2 after this, since the show relies on a lot of running jokes (episode 1 is basically just a throwaway where they talk about how they want to organize the show). Highly recommend it though, one of the best podcasts I've listened to in a while.