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Nice idea.

By the way, are you Scottish? I don't think they use the word "without" in that way anywhere else.

The classic Scottishism is "outwith" which is not used in England and Wales, and I suspect not used in (Northern) Ireland either.

I wonder if some people who said it sounded idiomatic to them are parsing it as "with Wine and without (it)" as opposed to "in Wine and without"/"within Wine and without". I think the non-U.S. usage is specifically the latter, which the original poster seems to have intended.

The non-U.S. usage would be meaning 1 of without as a preposition at

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/without#Preposition

which Wiktionary says is "archaic or literary". If it's still current in Commonwealth English, Wiktionary should probably be updated. :-)

Australian here. Seemed an odd usage but the syntax is good so it parsed fine, and didn't even notice it until you mentioned it.

I've seen it in older literature, as "within and without", where the latter approximately translates to "outside" and is supposed to be an opposite for "within".

(I'm Indian, but I can't remember seeing any instances of this in any texts that I'd say were written by people who wrote in an Indian idiom.)

It's also very unusual to see "without" used in this meaning and paired with "in"; one expects to see either "in and out" or "within and without", rather than a mixture of the two. I don't know that the latter is incorrect per se, but it does fall rather oddly on the mind's ear.

American here, I've seen it used that way in the wild. Uncommon, sure.

I'm from the northwest, could be regional?

Northwest Scotland?

Apologies for not being more specific, Northwest US. Specifically, Northwestern Washington. Also known as the Pacific Northwest (PNW)

As a Canadian, that looks perfectly normal to me. Not sure if that's a colony thing or not.

Indian here, and that's how I would use it. Is this more British usage than American maybe?

California, sounds weird to me.

Do you mean not paired with "within"; that is, "in Wine and without" instead of "within Wine and without"?

London here. Live near St Botolphs without Aldgate, a church just outside where one of the gates in London wall was.

American, and it didn't strike me as odd.

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