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Except all of the actual journalism being done on the Trump administration suggests incompetence, not malice, to be at the heart of its struggles.

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    > Except all of the actual journalism being done on 
    > the Trump administration suggests incompetence, not malice

I don't believe the journalists are incompetent. I believe there is actual malice there. No amount of incompetance can explain how they always say "muslim ban" and "7 muslim countries" instead of ever referring to the 'Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015' [1], where all of those countries were originally classified as 'countries of concern'.

The 'journalism' shows large amounts of malice. It's not just incompetence.

[1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-tr...

I think using the President's own words to describe his order is entirely reasonable.

He said that in his signing statement, or in some other speech referring to the executive order? Where's your link?

It was not a public statement, but was used behind the scenes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr...

Hearsay evidence from Giuliani, as told to us by The Washington Post.

Are you aware that Jeff Bezos controls the Washington Post, and is rapidly anti-Trump? It is clear to many that the Washington Post has a leaning in all of it's political journalism that borders on MSNBC levels of bias.

Got anything else?

I doubt Giuliani was misquoted, or he would have trumpeted it from the rooftops. So your complaints about the Post don't come into it. I think Giuliani can be believed here.

There is a video of Giuliani saying these things, so if you would like to see it, just do a search. In fact, it is a (possibly the) critical argument being made in the legal case this evening.

Giuliani literally said on Fox News. Watch the actual video, don't just complain about media bias. The evidence is right there in the linked article.

“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "

Better source for you?

There's definitely a lot of incompetence, but I don't think it's the whole story. The fact that the White House explicitly clarified to DHS that green card holders were included, for example, suggests malice.

Does it matter if it's evil or extreme incompetence? Grey's law applies - they have the same result.

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